15/30 QTs SB
 

Second hand at table. The CO is not known (he was sitting out for the few orbits that I was watching the table) but the BB is very loose.

Party Poker 15/30 Hold'em (7 handed) pokerhand.org hand converter

Preflop: I am SB with Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">CO raises</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>

Re: 15/30 QTs small blind
 

call.

Re: 15/30 QTs small blind
 

I call here since the BB is so bad. With a better player in the BB this is a fold, barring a read otherwise on CO.

Re: 15/30 QTs SB
 

I was thinking about making a similar post to this... I had QJo in the SB but it's mostly the same. Anyway, I think they are both calls but maybe I am looking at the value of the hands in the wrong light.

-tpir

Re: 15/30 QTs SB
 

2/3 blind structure with bad player in bb easy call. 1/2 blind structure with unknowns easy fold.

Re: 15/30 QTs small blind
 

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call.

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Re: 15/30 QTs SB
 

Because the BB is very loose and CO is unknown I would call. If I knew the CO and thought I could get heads up with him before the flop and win with a bet if he missed the flop, I would 3-bet.

Re: 15/30 QTs SB
 

In a 2/3 structure this is an easy call from a CO-steal range. You don't mind the BB coming for the ride either, w/a weak suited broadway gapper.

Re: 15/30 QTs SB
 

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2/3 blind structure with bad player in bb easy call. 1/2 blind structure with unknowns easy fold.

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listen to the worm.

Re: 15/30 QTs SB
 

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2/3 blind structure with bad player in bb easy call. 1/2 blind structure with unknowns easy fold.


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perfect.

Re: 15/30 QTs SB
 

I've just moved to the 15 and am trying to get used to the 2/3 blind structure.

What are the standard ranges for calling and raising from the sb here? Any already made thread would be perfect.

I've been typically making it 3 and getting the bb out more often than not if I'm playing from the sb.

Rasing 22+, Ax, K6s+, K8+, Q10s+, j10s. Then calling most suited one gappers below this range. Is this too loose? Obviously some adjustments can be made given the bb and the raiser, but is this range about right?

Re: 15/30 QTs SB
 

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2/3 blind structure with bad player in bb easy call. 1/2 blind structure with unknowns easy fold.

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Ok, a .17BB difference doesn't change it from being an easy call to an easy fold. Also, the quality of the BB isn't the issue, it is the blind stealing % of the CO. This is a hand that is near 0EV. Playing it increases your variance. However, against the right CO, it becomes +EV.

Re: 15/30 QTs SB
 

Just for my own information here boyz, what hands are we calling with in the sb facing a hijack or later raise?

should I treat it like I would treat completeing in a 3/6 game?

Re: 15/30 QTs SB
 

I call this from both structures and sometimes 3-bet it. But with the loose player in the BB, I prefer calling. These cards play very well multi-way.

- Jim

Re: 15/30 QTs SB
 

With a very loose BB this is a call. Otherwise the default should usually be raise/fold.

Re: 15/30 QTs SB
 

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This is a hand that is near 0EV. Playing it increases your variance.

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Playing any hand increases your variance.

Re: 15/30 QTs SB
 

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This is a hand that is near 0EV. Playing it increases your variance.

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Playing any hand increases your variance.

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You, sir, are a genius.

Re: 15/30 QTs SB
 

I call this everytime, sometimes 3 bet depending on BB. Only time I fold is when someone is like a 16 VPIP

Re: 15/30 QTs SB
 

whats your stats on the BB?

you could bring it to 3 bets w/ the BB behind you unless you've seen him fold in this situation often.

i dont think its really that bad of a move to do seeing hes in the CO.

Re: 15/30 QTs SB
 

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This is a hand that is near 0EV. Playing it increases your variance.

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Playing any hand increases your variance.

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You, sir, are a genius.

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Very few hands are overwhelmingly +EV. All are high variance. Just understanding that should make it clear that avoiding slightly +EV spots in order to "decrease" your variance is dumb. It doesn't take a genius at all.

Re: 15/30 QTs SB
 

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2/3 blind structure with bad player in bb easy call. 1/2 blind structure with unknowns easy fold.

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how about 1/2 blind structure with a bad player in the BB? does the difference really swing it from a call to a fold?