I am the biggest fish on Party.
 

Flmae away. Tell me how bad I screwed up this hand.

Reads: BB is unknown, Button is 70/5/0.8

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Preflop: Hero is SB with Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, UTG+1 calls, <font color="#666666">5 folds</font>, Button calls, Hero completes, <font color="#CC3333">BB raises</font>, UTG+1 calls, Button calls, Hero calls.

Flop: (8 SB) K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">BB raises</font>, UTG+1 calls, <font color="#CC3333">Button 3-bets</font>, Hero calls, <font color="#CC3333">BB caps</font>, UTG+1 folds, Button calls, Hero calls.

Turn: (11 BB) 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">BB bets</font>, Button calls, Hero calls.

River: (14 BB) 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>...

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Re: I am the biggest fish on Party.
 

2 bets cold on the flop huh? Completed pf as well...

Nice river.

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[grunch] I raise preflop, otherwise I play it the same. I like check/calling the turn and betting out the river. I think I would even cap the river, or is this spewing to the guy with A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]?

Re: I am the biggest fish on Party.
 

I hereby set the over/under on "raise PF" posts at 13.5. Place your wagers in the betting forum.

Re: I am the biggest fish on Party.
 

I don't think the flop is a good bet.

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For starters, I'd raise pre-flop. I don't always raise AQo in the blinds, but you're only against two limpers, one of which is super-loose. So this looks like a good spot to push your probable equity advantage.

Now, the flop. You donk, as is right and proper. But here...

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Hero bets, BB raises, UTG+1 calls, Button 3-bets...

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is the point I'd be done with the hand. You're getting eight-to-one to call, but you're not closing the action, and all of your outs look filthy, with the runner-runner flush probably your best bet. With three opponents who like their hand, I'd say implied odds are working against you. You'll probably make a lot of expensive second-best hands if you continue.

Once you make that flop call, the rest of the hand seems standard. I'm open to arguments that a donk may not be your best play on the river, but I'd probably donk it as well.

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I don't think the flop is a good bet.

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I'm totally "two-way checking" this flop. So I'm checking and definitely folding to two back to me, sometimes check-raising a late position bet from the right opponent, and often peeling one card.

Once you bet calling two back to you I think is a pretty big mistake.


<font color="white"> And I think you should have raised pre-flop. </font>

Re: I am the biggest fish on Party.
 

I know PF will get a lot of flack, but the flop bet and call is much worse.

With PF, I usually just complete AQo against 2 limpers and a loose BB, but in this case with the button being 70 VPIP, I should definitely have raised.

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I don't think the flop is a good bet.

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Okay, I'll bite, since I liked the flop bet at first glance. Is it because we're too much of a dog to BB's range? Is it because it's likely to be a big action flop, so we should wait and see how our opponents react? Or is it something else?

Re: I am the biggest fish on Party.
 

Pre flop is fine, it doesnt really matter, sometimes raise, some times dont, the thing about completing is it disguises or hand and we get much action from QT, QJ,KQ they may have limped.

I check the flop and see what develops, what deranged said.

turn is fine, i think your flush draw is good here enough, river bet/call, who ever said cap the river, its a spew. do u think villan would raise the J hearts, into a donker i doubt it.

Re: I am the biggest fish on Party.
 

(Warning: Grunch by a green fish)

Pre-flop you have two overcards, but not a pair. And they're not suited. So other than having overcards, you are playing a drawing hand.

Only two other players are in the pot when it gets to you. That's not good odds for playing a drawing hand. But they're overvards, and one's an ace, so you call. Then BB raises. He's projecting strength. I think your overcards are strong enough to call the raise, but I'm a fish.

The Flop helps you, so you bet. Then BB raises. He's not afraid of that king or that queen. At this point I put him on hand with either KX or QX, or maybe high suited connectors like JT. Then Button 3-bets. Now, he could have either KK, QQ, or KQ. But if he did, then he would have raised pre-flop. But if he had JTo then it would have been right for him to just call pre-flop and 3-bet a floped straight. At this point I start thinking hard about folding. When BB caps after you called the raise, I think it's time to swallow your pride and fold. But I'm a fish.

The turn helps you. You now have a flush draw. Not a nut flush draw, but close. You check and BB bets. That shows he's not afraid of someone holding KK, QQ or two hearts. Then Button calls. I'm putting Button on a made straight and BB on a made flush. At this point all you have is two ladies and a flush draw. I would fold and switch to decafinated Pepsi. But like I said, I'm a fish.

The River brings you your flush. I would never have seen this hand through to the River, but now that you're here you're actually in good shape. There are only three hands that can beat you - Ah for the nut flush and either Th 8h or 8h 5h for the straight flush. I would bet and I would also re-raise. But I would also prepair myself to see that ace of hearts.

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"Pre-flop you have two overcards, but not a pair. And they're not suited. So other than having overcards, you are playing a drawing hand."

With two limpers in AQo is generally going to be the best hand preflop- usually the only had that is currently better would be a samll pair wich is only a samll favorite. Meanwhile you are a big favorite over all other Aces (assuming that AK raises), all other Queens and all other hands you are moderate- small favorites over.
If your hand is likely to be best- then all the other hands are trying to outdraw you.
This is an easy value raise from the sb in this generic situation.

"Then Button calls. I'm putting Button on a made straight and BB on a made flush"

you are far to fidgid here, people play badly. Not only that but BB should be betting plenty of hands here that aren't a flush. Two pair, a set, a straight. Folding this turn in an enourmous pot for one bet is a mistake. A very large mistake.

"I would bet and I would also re-raise"

Yikes. The four flush is so obvious that there is no way i am three betting a raise here. I might consider check riaising, but i think its best to bet out as you have 2 potential callers and it is very easy for them to check through when the 4 card flush hits.

"He's not afraid of that king or that queen. At this point I put him on hand with either KX or QX, or maybe high suited connectors like JT. Then Button 3-bets. Now, he could have either KK, QQ, or KQ. But if he did, then he would have raised pre-flop. But if he had JTo then it would have been right for him to just call pre-flop and 3-bet a floped straight. At this point I start thinking hard about folding. When BB caps after you called the raise, I think it's time to swallow your pride and fold"

Folding with two back to you on the flop is likely the correct play. But once you call you should not fold for one more, at this point you are getting 20-1 almost enough just for a BD flush draw. Plus you have a BD straigh draw and your A and Q could be outs still.

"But like I said, I'm a fish."

No worries, stick around here long enough and you won't be.

Re: I am the biggest fish on Party.
 

Stop. Stop. Stop betting the flop trying to induce raises from worse hands (he almost never has one here).

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"two-way checking"

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I'm two-way [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]ing this.

Re: I am the biggest fish on Party.
 

one vote for pf raise,