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So what type of new poker software would you LIKE to see?
Alright, inspired by PokerTracker and PokerAce and being a software developer who hates his job, I desire to put together some sort of software package to aide serious online poker players, much like PT and PAHUD.
Obviously creating a database program like PT or another HUD would not be the best way to go, so the question has to be raised... What type of software do you WANT to see for poker? What tool do you just wish you had? It can be something that you use during live play obviously or something you use during non-playing to analyze your play. Obviously only software that do not break the T&C of the major sites would be of long term value... So any ideas? The only idea I had was a "What's he got?" predictor Basically it would use opponent modeling combined with current hand activity and board information and show you a % break down of possible holdings. For example: A 40% VPIP / 3% PFR guy check raises your QQ on a board of TT3. The program would then find similiar VPIP/PRF people and similiar situations (I have an overpair to a paired board, when checkraised by this type of player what % of the time do they have trips?) |
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A simple program that has no real poker content but would be usefull would be one that would remember the locations of the tables on the screen. For example, I have a dual monitor setup. I play 5 tables on each, one on each of the 4 corners and 1 in the middle. An hour or so before I start to play I open up partymine and the 10 tables minimize to the bottom. If there was a program that could instantly remember where my tables should go when I get back, it would save some time.
This is more of a hassle then are real problem, but it's enough of a hassle for me to think "there must be a better way!" each time I carefully line up each table. |
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Do you use AllSnap? It makes the job of lining up tables easier.
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Do you use AllSnap? It makes the job of lining up tables easier. [/ QUOTE ] Much easier |
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This is something simple, and maybe not what you were looking for, but I'll suggest it anyways. I've always found the notes function on Party to be somewhat annoying. I believe there's a limit on the number of characters you can use, so I end up having to make lots of annoying acronyms to describe players. Also, it's annoying to always have to right-click and select "notes", which I happen to accidentally click "block chat" at times. I'd like a program that could store notes, maybe open them with a single click, and used a much larger box, so that I could read more than 5 lines of notes, or whatever the default is for Party.
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I'd like to see some free software.
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I'd like to see some free software. Richard Stallman Founder of the Free Software Movement [/ QUOTE ] My guess is 2 days |
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I'd like to see something that searches through my PT database and finds "questionably played" hands. Things where I was bluffing into multiple players, or check/calling with a really good hand, failing to raise for value with a killer nut flush draw against lots of opponents, etc.
When reviewing hands, one of the hardest things is weeding through the mass of standard hands to find the ones you want to study. Something like pokergrader I'd think, since it already grades your play overall. It'd just need to grade each hand. |
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I am copy/pasting this from something I wrote in another thread
what would be wicked cool is for a simulator that allows you to input a range for your opponent, then the software divides that range into categories according to the board, like A high, set, flush draw, gutshot, etc, and allows you to run simulations against those categories. IE for the A high category (on the turn) you would specify the actions he would take for categories of rivers: he will raise any A, fold any spade, call the rest; with a set he will raise any river except a spade, etc. this is similar to what you were talking about. the software notes that villain raised preflop UTG and it knows from PT that he raises 13% of hands and guesses a hand range for you that you can then tweak and analyze. |
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Yeah, anything with more advanced analysis of play than currently available with PokerTracker and PokerStove. For instance, some tool that uses arbitrarily large "EV trees" over many factors like possible hand types, aggression frequncy, calling frequency, etc. that eventually helps me decide a tactic in a situation, like when to check to induce a bluff versus when to bet for value.
Or a simpler idea: a poker tracker add on that can do more advanced filtering, sort of a query front end, like: "show me all hands where I put in the last agression on the flop and checked behind the turn". I think this can be done currently with pokertracker, but would require direct manipulation of the database on the back end, wheras I'm thinking of a more user-friendly tool. Another idea: I think someone in the SNG forums, eastbay most likely, wrote something of an "therotical EV vs. actual results" measurement tool. Basically, it parsed hands looking for situations were you went all-in, calculated what your EV was with the two hands involved, then tracked results, and over a sampling of these situations, told you if you were out-performing or udner-performing what you 'should be' given what you were getting in there with. Something akin to that for limit play could be interesting, although the idea could be too heavily handicapped by the fact that only hands with showdowns could be properly measured. |
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The author of SNG Traker has stated here that he no longer plays poker and is not continuing to support software. Most SNG players are using a beta version of this to track play, so there's really a need for a good SNG results tracker.
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A simple program that has no real poker content but would be usefull would be one that would remember the locations of the tables on the screen. For example, I have a dual monitor setup. I play 5 tables on each, one on each of the 4 corners and 1 in the middle. An hour or so before I start to play I open up partymine and the 10 tables minimize to the bottom. If there was a program that could instantly remember where my tables should go when I get back, it would save some time. [/ QUOTE ] You want to use PartyPlanner. It's a free tool in alpha currently, and you'll have to email the people that run the site for a copy - but it works for exactly what you're describing: overcards.com |
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Stud tracker!
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Stud tracker! [/ QUOTE ] Yeah, so she said last night. |
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What type of software do you WANT to see for poker? What tool do you just wish you had? It can be something that you use during live play obviously or something you use during non-playing to analyze your play. [/ QUOTE ] #1 thing I'd like to see is a hand replayer with stats overlay. I think it might be best if the PokerAce team did this, because they already have most of the engine in place. However, it seems they have a lot of plans to work on PokerAce, so I don't know when they would be able to release a replayer. Another program I'd like to see is one that extracts hands where you saw the flop from pokertracker or hand history files into a new text file. Right now, you have to view a whole lot of hands where you were dealt 93o UTG and it adds time onto hand history review. Can you tell I use PT replayer a lot? I think this is a large untapped resource that could be vastly improved. The next great software program(following Pokertracker and PAHud) should be a fully feautured hand replayer. |
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I would like an Auto-Berater. Like when someone hits their 2-outer on the river the program would automatically enter "Nice XXXing hand you XXXing moron" in the chat box. It should have customizable phrases and user definable "Auto-berate rules". It sure would save me a lot of time and energy.
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lost wages,
love the idea! i would use it too...seriously. cheers, sean |
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I agree. I'd like to see a portable hand replayer (not web based, not PT). Something that would allow me to throw several hand histories for a tournament or for a ring game session then step through and pause at each decision I had to make. The abililty for me to add notes to different streets and save/export hands for more analysis later would also be useful.
I'm near the point myself where I'm just going to pay someone to develop this for me because I can't code in anything that makes a decent GUI. The hand range program is interesting and something I've thought about myself. The ability to backtrack through PT and find previous similar situations is interesting. If you do choose this approach, I'd definitely recommend reading through the University of Alberta's research into opponent modeling if you haven't already. |
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Two thoughts.
1) As suggested, the notes in PP are not very good. There have been some posts in SS Limit about taking short-handed notes for particular situations that arise. Maybe through some brainstorming on these forums you could come up with a note taking program that is more form based (i know Microsoft forms some I use that as an example). Meaning for certain situations (e.g. raises suited aces, or bluff raised river, plays any ace, etc.) there could be a form with checkboxes (or something like this but better), where the user could click on a link next to the player name that opens this form and the appropriate situation could be checked. Alternatively the program could be made to be "smart" and do this for the user. 2) I think this is something more for PokerAce, but I thought it would be nice to see my stats viewed by my opponents. For example I might be perceived as +/- looser tighter, passive, aggressive by an opponents in his PT b/c he only has 100 hands on me. If I could see how each opponent perceives my play, I think it could add some benefit in certain situations. Thought I would throw this out there. |
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2) I think this is something more for PokerAce, but I thought it would be nice to see my stats viewed by my opponents. For example I might be perceived as +/- looser tighter, passive, aggressive by an opponents in his PT b/c he only has 100 hands on me. If I could see how each opponent perceives my play, I think it could add some benefit in certain situations. [/ QUOTE ] This already exists in PokerAce. |
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When you multitable it's very hard to take notes as you play so I suggest a speech recognition program that enters notes on players. Now that would be something !
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I'd like to see something that searches through my PT database and finds "questionably played" hands. Things where I was bluffing into multiple players, or check/calling with a really good hand, failing to raise for value with a killer nut flush draw against lots of opponents, etc. When reviewing hands, one of the hardest things is weeding through the mass of standard hands to find the ones you want to study. Something like pokergrader I'd think, since it already grades your play overall. It'd just need to grade each hand. [/ QUOTE ] how worthy is pokergrader? i read it's FAQ, but it mentions nothing for SnGs. it looks like it only grades ring games. Does it do SnGs? |
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My vote is for a voice note taker.
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I'd like to see something that searches through my PT database and finds "questionably played" hands. Things where I was bluffing into multiple players, or check/calling with a really good hand, failing to raise for value with a killer nut flush draw against lots of opponents, etc. When reviewing hands, one of the hardest things is weeding through the mass of standard hands to find the ones you want to study. Something like pokergrader I'd think, since it already grades your play overall. It'd just need to grade each hand. [/ QUOTE ] Me too. |
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Or a simpler idea: a poker tracker add on that can do more advanced filtering, sort of a query front end, like: "show me all hands where I put in the last agression on the flop and checked behind the turn". I think this can be done currently with pokertracker, but would require direct manipulation of the database on the back end, wheras I'm thinking of a more user-friendly tool. [/ QUOTE ] PGC does this (http://www.pokergrader.com/, click on link in green box). It has a very powerful hand filters and is entirely open source. |
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perhaps a program that automatically updates my buddy list while datamining according to criteria that i choose from pokertracker, like for example all players with at least 50 hands and VPIP over 50 or over 40 with a PFR under 5 get added to the list, this would help out a lot with table selection and its a bitch to go through and add all these players manually on a regular basis
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perhaps a program that automatically updates my buddy list while datamining according to criteria that i choose from pokertracker, like for example all players with at least 50 hands and VPIP over 50 or over 40 with a PFR under 5 get added to the list, this would help out a lot with table selection and its a bitch to go through and add all these players manually on a regular basis [/ QUOTE ] a list of all the online fish and what table they are at and the ability to doubleclick the fishs name to take you to the table would be nice... |
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a list of all the online fish and what table they are at and the ability to doubleclick the fishs name to take you to the table would be nice... [/ QUOTE ] That's a great idea if your goal is to kill online poker. |
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perhaps a program that automatically updates my buddy list while datamining according to criteria that i choose from pokertracker, like for example all players with at least 50 hands and VPIP over 50 or over 40 with a PFR under 5 get added to the list, this would help out a lot with table selection and its a bitch to go through and add all these players manually on a regular basis [/ QUOTE ] nevermind, looking at some other threads here and apparenly this already exists, im about to try it out |
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It's come up before in this forum but worth repeating for this specific thread: I would love something that calculates and displays the "M" and "Q" of everyone at my table in an MTT, preferably with the former in the appropriate colour (i.e. green, red, etc.).
Josh has explained that he isn't comfortable adding something like this to PAHUD and I can respect that. But if someone else is more comfortable with the idea, I believe it would be quite popular. I'd write it myself if I could program on anything beyond a Commodore 64. And yes, I concede that it's not overly taxing to do the calculations mentally and that I shouldn't be so lazy. But then again the OP asked what software I'd *like*, not what I *should* like. [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img] |
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Obviously only software that do not break the T&C of the major sites would be of long term value... ... The only idea I had was a "What's he got?" predictor Basically it would use opponent modeling combined with current hand activity and board information and show you a % break down of possible holdings. [/ QUOTE ] I think you'd be wasting your time with a "what's he got" predictor. I would expect that to be banned by poker sites. My reasoning: We can only sensibly allow or ban a program based on what it does, not how it does it. No one would spend the time and energy to examine how a program accomplishes whatever it does, then to debate what may be slippery distinctions, and then to reevaluate how it does things in each new release. So in this situation I think the question would have to be whether or not it is ok for a program display a prediction of "what's he got". Perhaps people would be inclined at first glance to permit a particular program for this because it seemed to be equivalent to looking up a bunch of entries in a notebook and counting them by category. But consider, what's next? Will it still be ok if it allows in its "thinking" for whether a particular player favors suited connectors? Whether the player will call with anything on the button? Whether the player plays differently depending on specifically who it was that bet before him? Whether he plays differently in the early evening vs. late? Whether he plays differently depending on who remains to act behind him? At some point (after a lot of work, perhaps a lot more anyone even suspects yet) this program might still be doing exactly the same thing visibly as it did on day one while having become a fairly advanced AI and an obviously unnacceptable program. Getting a very good read on opponent cards is far into the difficult part of poker and if done well would give a huge advantage. Where along the line did the program change from being a fast database search to being an AI? Clearly that's where a line must be drawn. There is no place to draw that line except at the very start. Every step after that could be small and highly debatable in itself. And no step after the first changes what the program visibly does. So I hope and expect that the start is where the line will be drawn. Any program which shows what it thinks "he's got" should be banned, regardless of whether whether it throws dice internally for what it displays or is actually psychic. It simply shouldn't be allowed, and I expect won't be. |
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