99- What\'s your line?
 

$150 buy in on Party and I just made the money. Blinds are 300/600 and I have 7500 in chips. UTG+3 raises to 1900 (he has ~19k). No reads as I have just been moved to the table and I have 99 in the cutoff. What's my line?

Re: 99- What\'s your line?
 

I don't think he's raising more than 3 BBs with AA-KK, but I don't think he has air either given the size of the bet and his position. You're probably a marginal favorite to his range though I do think a hand like JJ is very likely.

Also, a lot depends on the stacks of the players yet to act, but I probably push here more often than not.

Re: 99- What\'s your line?
 

push. your obviously ahead of any nonpaired hand and also any low pair. his bet looks more like a blind steal than anything else. your in the money, but you want to advance further than that. You don't mind a race against AK or AQ and you have some fold equity.

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push. your obviously ahead of any nonpaired hand and also any low pair. his bet looks more like a blind steal than anything else. your in the money, but you want to advance further than that. You don't mind a race against AK or AQ and you have some fold equity.

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Re: 99- What\'s your line?
 

I muck here, but I've been accused of being weak tight lately.

I put his range at AA-66, AK-AT against which we are 50/50.

Given that I have 12.5 BB;s I have time to find a good place to come over top of PF raise, but an EP raise in my mind is not a good place.

Or I'm looking to open raise/steal in LP depending on my image.

Having 12BB's is not where I push and *hope* I'm not dominated and pray for a coinflip, that's what I do when I'm 8 or less.

I'd much rather come over top of a LP PF raise w/ air than come over top here.

Regards,
Woodguy

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I think this is a clear shove. He's not utg Wood. He's UTG+3, and has a huge stack, raising a wide range of hands. I think you have FE here, and calling is not an option. Move it in, and take the blinds and bad steal attempt. I think folding is the only other option, and I hate it here. Play for first, you need to win 3-4 of these to win... at least I had to (i know brag).

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I think this is a clear shove. He's not utg Wood. He's UTG+3, and has a huge stack, raising a wide range of hands. I think you have FE here, and calling is not an option. Move it in, and take the blinds and bad steal attempt. I think folding is the only other option, and I hate it here. Play for first, you need to win 3-4 of these to win... at least I had to (i know brag).

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You are right that his big stack usually gives a wider range, but the OP said no reads, so we cannot be sure he's loose, and he is opening in EP.

Yes, you have good FE here, but 99 isn't great against the range, and its a pretty wide range.

I play for 1st too, but I don't like this spot.

Like I said, I've been weak tight lately.

Regards,
Woodguy

Re: 99- What\'s your line?
 

also notice, it's UTG + 3. Aka MP1?

this guy is 4th to act, i dont consider that EP, his raise is small enough that we have FE, and we've got a pretty good hand. When blinds go up, we'll be pretty short.

I like a push here i think.

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also notice, it's UTG + 3. Aka MP1?

this guy is 4th to act, i dont consider that EP, his raise is small enough that we have FE, and we've got a pretty good hand. When blinds go up, we'll be pretty short.

I like a push here i think.

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we have FE against some hands, but i think we have none against small/medium pairs, which is great. pushy pushy.

woodguy, you push TT, right?

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woodguy, you push TT, right?

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Probably, TT is 55% against the range, 99 is 50%, so its close.

I've been working hard not to get my $$$ in bad, and I've started to see monsters a bit.

Feel free to mock me and call me McEvoy. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

Regards,
Woodguy

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his bet looks more like a blind steal than anything else.

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how so?

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think i read OP as MP3. nice catch.

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Is there nobody that just calls here and then pushes a harmless flop? If a bunch of paint comes and villain leads you'll have decent amount of chips to double up with.

Re: 99- What\'s your line?
 

only if considered a shove after any flop. thats just me.

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i usually fold this, and usually push TT. readless i usually fold.

edit: fwiw, i'm not 100% sure this is correct, and threads like this help to gradually cure me from my arbitrary TT/99 line.

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Is there nobody that just calls here and then pushes a harmless flop? If a bunch of paint comes and villain leads you'll have decent amount of chips to double up with.

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i don't think it's crazy, but you hate to see a blind come in behind you.

Re: 99- What\'s your line?
 

Well right now my read on villain looks like a couple of paint cards, with that raise. I have him on AJ, AQ, KQ. If it falls down 552, or 10 8 4, I'm willing to push. If it's broadway esque around 6000 chips is not that bad to play with.

Re: 99- What\'s your line?
 

don't like calling unless I know I'm putting it allin after the flop, too much of a chance that I will have to be calling or folding to his CB. I'd rather push it in now while I still have some FE. who's to say what flop is harmless?

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Well right now my read on villain looks like a couple of paint cards, with that raise. I have him on AJ, AQ, KQ. If it falls down 552, or 10 8 4, I'm willing to push. If it's broadway esque around 6000 chips is not that bad to play with.

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why, in gods name (Q%)(&#%*&@#*()%&*)!( AIYEEEYEE), would your read on villian be two paint cards specifically? ALL HE HAS DONE IS RAISE!!!

putting people on two cards you are ahead over is one of the biggest donkey leaks in poker. just because the only raising hand you are ahead of is two paint cards, DOES NOT MEAN YOUR OPPONENT HAS THAT HAND.

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I have him on AJ, AQ, KQ

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i think it's pretty reasonable to put villain on 3 hands after he makes one pre-flop raise.

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lol

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I like schwza's response better. You need to go in time out and rethink what you've done.

10 minute penalty for F-bomb, S-bomb, A-bomb & C-bomb.

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Well right now my read on villain looks like a couple of paint cards, with that raise. I have him on AJ, AQ, KQ. If it falls down 552, or 10 8 4, I'm willing to push. If it's broadway esque around 6000 chips is not that bad to play with.

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why, in gods name (Q%)(&#%*&@#*()%&*)!( AIYEEEYEE), would your read on villian be two paint cards specifically? ALL HE HAS DONE IS RAISE!!!



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10 minute penalty rescinded, only because i do like the AIYYEEEYEEE

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I like schwza's response better. You need to go in time out and rethink what you've done.

10 minute penalty for F-bomb, S-bomb, A-bomb & C-bomb.

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yeah, i kinda freaked out there. [img]/images/graemlins/blush.gif[/img]

some good friends of mine always make this mistake though. they call me 99 with 33, because they "put me on" AK. and i just look at them with a deep sadness in my eyes, because i want them to be better. [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]

Re: 99- What\'s your line?
 

I was just saying what my range of hands on the villain is with that raise. I don't always do that. I thought we did that around here. He could have a bunch of hands, but I think calling with 99 is the optimum play here. We can make a read on him when the flop comes and how he bets.

Re: 99- What\'s your line?
 

well then you are a far more advanced poker player than most of us.

could you explain, for my benefit, exactly what it is about his slightly more than 3xBB raise that narrows his range to AJ, AQ and KQ? because i think this could be really helpful for me.

Re: 99- What\'s your line?
 

Also, what does he raise to with TT here? When would your range for him be 88-QQ? When you hold AK, and he makes the exact same raise?

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I was just saying what my range of hands on the villain is with that raise. I don't always do that. I thought we did that around here.

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in all honesty, we do, but you're kidding yourself if you can make such a specific read this early in a hand. the range should look more like:

66+, AT+, KQ, QJs, TJs

or something, and since he's open-raising there's some possibly of connectors, air, etc

Re: 99- What\'s your line?
 

Agro Andy says PUSH. Standard ~3x open raise in MP, I'm sure most of the time you will get a fold. Your in the money, and people open up their game. Yes he could have JJ but 2 face cards are much more likely.

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villain is getting very good odds and will only fold the true garbage. but that's fine since you're probably ahead.

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I have him on AJ, AQ, KQ

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i think it's pretty reasonable to put villain on 3 hands after he makes one pre-flop raise.

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That's nothing. Earlier this year someone claimed that with K3 he had his opponent dominated. "Read of the Century" was the consensus, though it was not clear if he put the villain on K2 or a worse three.

Re: 99- What\'s your line?
 

I'd call.

You are not ahead of his range (so I wouldn't worry about isolating).
You have no FE (pot is laying him 2.2:1 if you push and he is not crippled). His opening bet committed him against many players.

Both sides have FE ATF (villain has less since hero is almost all in) ; hero has position.

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You are not ahead of his range (so I wouldn't worry about isolating).

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if you don't think you're ahead of his range, you should probably fold.

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You have no FE (pot is laying him 2.2:1 if you push and he is not crippled).

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you messed up the math - it's 1.84:1. 5600 more to win a total pot of 5600*2+1900*2+900. villain has to win 35.2% to be neutral chipEV, so a compentent villain will fold his trash hands and probably stuff like J9o.

Re: 99- What\'s your line?
 

Thanks for correcting the math.

The intangibles are worth the call to me.

Villain only has to be 35% in the pot and should call with his entire legitimate opening range from MP1. Yes he might dump stealing hands, but without a read I'm going to assume GAP.

On a sidenote I would consider T1900 an awkward bet. I don't ascribe anything to it other than: is this villain's normal opening bet for his entire range of hands.

Re: 99- What\'s your line?
 

I dont like calling because you're only happy when the flop is undercards and nobody raises you behind.

More often than not there will be paint on the flop, and your 6k with a 5k pot [assuming nobody else calls/raises] will leave PFR no FE, assuming he already didn't have you dominated.

And second, if somebody behind you pushes for t4-5k and PFR or even somebody else comes along too, are you happy that just called? I wouldn't be, especially since I can no longer legally raise, and have no FE left, basically waiting for a 9 against 2+ players w/ playable/decent hands at worst

Re: 99- What\'s your line?
 

I usually play hands that are lower than a set.

I'm happy to see a single paint on the flop.

Hero's range is pretty tight to call 25% of his stack against an EP/MP raiser. Button, SB and BB aren't all going to push/call because they sense weakness.

You are not ahead. Is pushing OK, yes because it has high variance, but probably EV- (considering remaining players left to act) (its even against MP1).

Re: 99- What\'s your line?
 

Can anyone tell me why re-raising to $4200 is bad? And push/call push on any board if u get called and then call an all in rereaise by original raiser?


ViolentGandhi

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Can anyone tell me why re-raising to $4200 is bad?

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I have 7500 in chips

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putting 60% of your chips in at any point at any hand without going allin is pretty much never a good idea.

Re: 99- What\'s your line?
 

With no solid reads on any opponents I usually go to my default mode and assume that everyone is raising for value from early/early-middle position. For this reason, I could side here with Woodguy because I am not yet in a desperate position. Also 3 players yet to act who I also have no read on. With a solid image at the table and reads on my opponents, this hand could be played totally different.

Re: 99- What\'s your line?
 

man i push i cant really fathom why anyone is advocating a call then a possible fold