Is alcohol the answer? If so, straighten me out OOT
 

I have gotten involved with four seperate chicks since college started and failed to get to third base with any of them. None of them really were into drinking, and had brains. Yeah, I followed Dominic's advice. The last girl was guaranteed to go far were it not for another guy across the country. But alas...

So, the main point of the post: None of them drank. I don't drink.

Why is this?

Sophomore year of highschool before I even touched alcohol I was involved in a heavy concussion playing football with friends that left me conscious but "not there" for 6 hours. Easily the scariest couple of days in my life, waking up and having amnesia, remembering crap over again, losing all four front teeth, nast nasty situation.

I can't get past this episode whenever I get close to alcohol. I just have a fear of not being in control of my senses, so I've never gotten close to drinking too much.

The main trend among the girls I was unsuccessful with is the lack of partying and drinking. I'm gonna be a changed man, dammit, with early New Year's resolutions.

What I am asking of OOT is the following:
-How vital is alcohol for the women? Any books on good liquors and alcohols to "learn into"? Remember I'm a newbie. Give details. Educate me where you can so I don't do something stupid like you did

-How can I get over this stupid ass fear of blacking out or passing out? I really think I'm missing out on a good time and I'll be goddammed if I have to wait any longer before getting some college tail.

CN

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Alcohol is great fun in moderation.

Is it vital for getting with chicks? Absolutely not. Does it help? Absolutely.

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i seriously hope you are joking

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-How can I get over this stupid ass fear of blacking out or passing out? I really think I'm missing out on a good time and I'll be goddammed if I have to wait any longer before getting some college tail.

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By not drinking 3240978234 drinks your first time?

Seriously, there's nothing wrong with not drinking if you don't want to. And just drinking isn't going to help you when, no offense, it sounds like you're trying too hard. But as for fear of losing control/blacking out, just take it easy. Feel out your tolerance, keep it to 6-7 drinks over the first night, slow down when you start feeling buzzed, etc. Don't tell people you're with that it's your first time drinking a little heavier, so you don't have to worry about stupid peer pressure to start doing insane amounts of shots.

Just chill out, do your thing, and drink a few. Then a few more.

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Hit on girls who smoke. Remember, "if she smokes, she pokes."

Furthermore, having two drinks at a frat party isn't going to make you black out. You don't have to do keg stands every time you drink, just ease into it.

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just start buying a 6-pack or so when you go to parties. see how that treats you. it won't get you anywhere close to blacking/passing out.

as for getting with chics, it is definitely a catalyst.

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Alcohol gives girls an excuse for doing what they really want to do anyway. Which is have sex a lot more than you might think it is. Sometimes even with you specifically. Or at least you'll do for the evening. It provides deniability on a level deeper than the lack of inhibition alcohol gets you. This is vital to the psychological comfort of a lot of girls, who aren't as comfortable yet with the idea of expressing their sexuality yet as their hormones are. They're just as horny as you, but sometimes those inhibitions roadblock them, especially if they're around their friends, where they can become very subconscious -- and status conscious, if only to please their friends. Who would often be just as happy if she didn't get laid at all, if they're not getting some.

Booze is a handy excuse for girls to do what they want to do. Don't stand in their way. Provide it, but with caution. You don't need her barfing on you.

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In college alcohol really helps with getting chicks (at least the kinds that will [censored] without tons of effort on your part). After college the bars are a good place to pick up chicks, so again, alcohol is generally present. Getting to know your tolerance is +EV, generally girls don't like guys that are falling over drunk. (although I have pulled some of the best game of my life on 3 separate blackouts, not sure if it was worth it in any of the cases though)

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For your part, start drinking slowly, if you want to try drinking. When you're not used to booze, even a couple of drinks can get you pretty darned buzzed. That's fine, maybe a little embarassing, but who cares. Take your time with one or two drinks, and just see how you feel when buzzed, what you can handle. Stay away from your car for a while. Don't do those fool drinking games or contests if you can possibly avoid it. That's some serious business that's usually pretty stupid and unhealthy.

Eat something solid first, if you're going to booze much. Something that will stick in there for a while, like meat or cheese. Greasy heavy stuff works great. And if you get feeling really lazy or nauseous the next day, eat like a pig and crap it all out.

Also, drink water between drinks if you want to be able to drink a lot for a long time without getting sick. Alcohol dehydrates you, and that's a big part of the reason people get sick. The water will also help you pee out some of the toxins and alcohol. Don't drink soda or juice instead of water, if you can avoid it; they can actually make you even more thirsty or strain your liver. Water is by far the best.

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Have you had much success getting head/sex before college?

If these were more than one night hooking up with any of these chicks, then i would guess that your problem with not advancing bases is that you're not performing well on the previous ones. So maybe rethink what you did/how you did it.

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solid advice so far from everyone who contributed, i'm learning a lot already

but sadly i have class in like 6 hours so it's off to bed

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Stay away from your car for a while.

Eat something solid first, if you're going to booze much. Something that will stick in there for a while, like meat or cheese.

Also, drink water between drinks if you want to be able to drink a lot for a long time without getting sick. Water is by far the best.

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All key points.

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Alcohol gives girls an excuse for doing what they really want to do anyway.

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Here's the first of today's slices of fried gold!

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Have you had much success getting head/sex before college?

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Yes, but I should be more successful. I think it's due to the fact I've looking in the entirely wrong pool of women. I get way too intimidated by the average outgoing chick who's in a sorority and parties on weekends. Obviously I can't have my cake and eat it too.

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And just drinking isn't going to help you when, no offense, it sounds like you're trying too hard.

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Can you blame me? I've got a bs phobia of alcohol, am intimimated by girls that drink and party, and only hook up with girls sober w/ something meaningful there but then they have something wrong with them and they dont go out and party. And nothing is happening.

I want so badly to fit in, bang normal chicks, have a good time. I plan on rushing in the spring.

I want to live the right college experience but with the way my life has panned out until now, I think I really gotta learn up or I could do something really stupid.

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(WARNING: The following post contains little or nothing useful)

Well, before I go into my lengthy tirade about what to look for in your choice of poison, let me say this. If you think you're missing out on girls and fun because you don't drink, you're way off. While drinking can be fun, if you're not drinking and not having fun, it's not because you aren't drinking, but I digress.

Now I had my first drink when my best friend Rob stole a can of Red Dog from my neighbors garage. I was 11, he was 12 at the time and we drank it in my backyard behind a little wooden clubhouse my parents had built for me and my brother. I didn't know it then, but Red Dog was disgusting swill. What I DID know was that it made me feel a little lightheaded, kinda funny and pretty good. I experimented with alcohol a few other times in grade school, namely the time that I came home one Friday afternoon, made myself a scotch and soda, then promptly passed out while raking the leaves. There was also the time that I got caught drinking 40s with my friend Jose, but that's neither here nor there.

I really didn't drink again until my Junior year of High School. On the one hand, my best friend, who lived two houses down from me and was a junior in college, had houseparties every weekend he was home and, thankfully, I was always invited. On the other hand, I had my friend from school who used to come in hungover, nursing a rum and coke just to get through the day. These two friends of mine exposed me to the wonderful worlds of both social drinking and chronic alcoholism. Now, around this time, beer was my drink of choice, namely Yuengling when I could get my hands on it, but more often than not, some kind of swill like PBR or Busch Light. However, when we realized that beer took up a lot of space and we had to conceal it, my friends and I switched to mix drinks, primarily Rum and Coke since it was easy to make and smooth going down.

I should also mention that my senior year of high school was the first time I'd ever blacked out from drinking. I was at a party, when his girl I'd been hooking up with decided to hook up with this sleazy drug dealer. So I, being the responsible young adult that I was, decided to chug 3/4 of a bottle of blackberry schnapps and not be able to remember the next 6 hours.

Fast forward again to college. My drink of choice is once again beer because concealment isn't nearly as important as it was in high school. Granted, because of budgetary concerns I tend to drink whatevere is the cheapest swill I can get my hands on, but, IMHO, even bad beer so exceeds the taste of hard alcohol, that it is highly preferable. Girls, of course, would never agree. They can not stand beer and will only drink it in certain occassions (namely, at keg parties) when they have no other options. They usually get pretty well greased up before hand, though, on hard alcohol, of course.

I'm not really sure what the point of my little "History of PoBoy's drinking career" was, but let me say this. Alcohol is nothing to be afraid of. It's only a drink, and just go out and have a few.

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i didnt read any responses but i know what you mean. I didnt drink till sophomore year becasue I dont like the idea of not remembering things I do. Since then i drink most weekends and occasionally weeknights, but not often. The key is just knowing your limit. YOu can still get pretty drunk and remember it.

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Can you blame me? I've got a bs phobia of alcohol, am intimimated by girls that drink and party, and only hook up with girls sober w/ something meaningful there but then they have something wrong with them and they dont go out and party. And nothing is happening.

I want so badly to fit in, bang normal chicks, have a good time. I plan on rushing in the spring.

I want to live the right college experience but with the way my life has panned out until now, I think I really gotta learn up or I could do something really stupid.

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Believe me, I feel for you, but alcohol isn't going to solve any of this. A lot of people in college don't drink and have a great time. A lot of people in college drink and have a miserable time. They key is finding something you love doing and that makes you happy, and drinking certainly doesn't have to be it.

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I want so badly to fit in, bang normal chicks, have a good time. I plan on rushing in the spring.

I want to live the right college experience...

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This is pretty much what I meant.

A) There is no "right" college experience.
B) Desperation is not going to make you seem less desperate.

Obviously you need to "try" to change, but it's not something you can do through sheer will, nor by just reading up on women. Like anything else, you need to start low and build experience and confidence. This does not necessarily mean low standards -- it means low expectations.

Trying to do it all at once will not end well. Start out just getting comfortable with drinking, if that's something you want to do. After a couple times doing that in moderation, you should feel comfortable with it. Then start approaching chicks you think are attractive with no intention of taking them home, or even asking for their number. Talk to them planning NOT to try and close.

Once you're comfortable with that, then you can go for numbers, one-nighters, whatever.

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average outgoing chick who's in a sorority and parties on weekends

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Stay FAR away from these girls.

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Believe me, I feel for you, but alcohol isn't going to solve any of this. A lot of people in college don't drink and have a great time. A lot of people in college drink and have a miserable time. They key is finding something you love doing and that makes you happy, and drinking certainly doesn't have to be it.

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Quoted for truth.

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Enjoy your moderation too. The drinking in frats can be pretty ruinous to people's grades and health. Don't try to fit in so hard you lose your sense of self. Drink to get a different feeling of enjoying who you are, not to cover it up, not to be someone else, and not to conform or please anyone but yourself. It's a lot funnier to laugh at all the guys barfing and pick up on all the chicks than to take yourself out of the party early and get sick as a fool besides.

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I just saw in one of your responses that you're thinking about joining a frat next semester. All I can say is that you really should do your homework on the frats and make your priorities before you decide to join. While they certainly give a sense of comaraderie and companionship that it's hard to find anywhere else, it can be a tremendous commitment of time and energy and you have to be sure that that's what you want. Also, for someone who's been so leery of drinking so far, I'm a little curious as to why you want to join something that tends to be so heavily drinking oriented.

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YES, alcohol is definately the solution. This is because alcohol INCREASES the testoron levels of girls. This means that they will get more lusty.
So why doesn't this work for us? Well, when we men drink our testosteron levels drop. Alas.

So

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Note: I enjoy getting drunk very much but it didn't get me anywhere in that department. Probably b/c all that drinking in HS and college turned me into a fatass.

It doesn't seem like a good idea to start drinking for this reason. Don't lose your idenity just to try and hook up with chicks that you probably wouldn't want to hook up with if you weren't drunk. That is JMO though. If you end up enjoy drinking then that is great. If you don't enjoy it but still do it to fit in, then you might not like your situation down the line.

At any rate, always be responsible and know your limits. Start off slow to figure out exactly how much alcohol will allow you to have a good time at a party. Don't get so trashed that you turn into a sloppy drunk. You will never get anything that way. You also have to put yourself in a position to get some. It does no good getting smashed everynight in your apartment with your roommate. Maybe a few beers will loosen you up to actually get to these parties. Once you are in you don't have to worry much about the alcohol factor. Make sure you are just holding a beer at all times and you will be good to go.

Brad

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Watch Roger Dodger

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alcohol is the panty dropping juice. It lowers inhibitions. Know your own limits though first. This doesn't not mean coming close to alcohol poisoning .. see how many it takes to give you a buzz. Girls like fruity sugary drinks. Cheap and easy is cheap vodka + juice or cheap rum + coke. gl

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What exactly is third base? I haven't been in the sixth grade in quite a while. I don't know what any of the bases are except for HOME.

Also, I think it's better if we don't use euphemisms for sexual acts in oot, because it's much more interesting to hear exactly what happened. In this case, I suspect it is because he is ashamed that he isn't very successful with the ladies and it's hard to admit that in front of other guys.

Alcohol will obviously help you out. Why are you even asking?

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Euphemisms can be fun

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Heres a few links that can really help you out.

Dealing with blackouts, the night of:
http://www.moderndrunkardmagazine.co...kout-strat.htm
Includes tips on avoiding an FOS episode (falling off stool), and certain rules (run first, ask questions later)

Drink your Way to Fitness:
http://www.moderndrunkardmagazine.co...-fitness-1.htm
"On your journey home you will probably find yourself climbing on things, breaking stuff, and screaming horrible things at your ex-girlfriend’s house. At the Institute we call this cross-training. We encourage cross training, because this will greatly increase your nightly weight loss."

Tips for hanging out in Bars:
http://www.moderndrunkardmagazine.co...4-bar-tips.htm
not as funny but some useful ettiquette.

Edit: drunkards guide to poker.
http://www.moderndrunkardmagazine.co...oker_guide.htm

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Euphemisms can be fun

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That IS fun!

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What I am asking of OOT is the following:
-How vital is alcohol for the women?

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At the college level? Very.

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Any books on good liquors and alcohols to "learn into"?

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google.com is your hero in this instance.

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Remember I'm a newbie. Give details. Educate me where you can so I don't do something stupid like you did

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How can you learn unless you make mistakes? You gotta go your own way here dude. We can help, but you won't fly unless we kick you out of the nest. [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

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-How can I get over this stupid ass fear of blacking out or passing out?

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Stop thinking you'll drink til you black out or passout? That's a rare occurance, even for raging drunks. Just drink in moderation, or til you get pleasantly buzzed and maintain it duder.

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I really think I'm missing out on a good time and I'll be goddammed if I have to wait any longer before getting some college tail.

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*sniff* Lil brudder all growed up. [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]

You can do it!


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Don't be trying to re-invent the wheel man. Alcohol has been a social lubricant since the dawn of time.

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average outgoing chick who's in a sorority and parties on weekends

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Woah, just cause you guys couldn't tag the loose sorority chicks doesn't mean there's anything wrong with it. Esp at a huge SEC school like Clayton goes to, they're going to be a dime a dozen, and very easy to get into bed. You screw up with one, move on to another. One turns out to be psycho, move on to another.

For what OP is looking for, sorority girls are mos def the answer.

And I say this as someone who was never in a frat, so don't even start with the anti-Greek BS.

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Euphemisms can be fun

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"power drill the furry love-gates with the nether rod"

Great site.

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I'll give this one a shot.

Practice makes perfect. The first few times I got drunk (when I was 15) I drank way too much, got really wasted and acted like a complete ass. You will learn to control your buzz.

Your body type and weight are key factors in determining how much you can drink. The average man is 6' and weighs 185 lbs. Generally a person of that size will absorb and process alcohol at a rate of about one beer/one shot per hour. Since most people drink faster than one beer an hour when they drink, the body cannot process the booze fast enough and that is why they feel buzzed. The bigger or smaller a person is will affect how much they can drink.

Alcohol affects everyone differently. It affects your inhibitions, your motor skills, your ability to think clearly and reasonably etc. You will need to drink fairly heavily a few times to know your limits and how you are going to feel.

You may not even like feeling drunk. It's not for everyone.

Hangovers suck ass. They are best prevented by:

Drinking sufficient amounts of water preflop. Gatorade also works wonders. I would say drink at least 1/2 gallon of water during the day before a night of drinking. Also a glass of H2O before going to sleep (if you have a girl in your room this will not cross your mind) helps.

Also before going to sleep take a couple asprins. This will prevent a headache in the morning. Avoid ibuprofin/motrins. They are bad for the liver as it is, but when combined with alcohol they are very bad for the liver.

The advice of cheese/meat products is poor. Those foods do not absorb alcohol well at all. Bread products are best. The best suggestion is a nice filling sub from Subway.

Foods like Mcdonalds hamburgers and fries are ok too, but for some people (like me) the grease mixed with liquor can give you mudbutt. Milder food works best.

Any food is better than no food though.

If I remember correctly:

Alcohol (and asprin) is absorbed into the bloodstream through the stomach. This is much different than most other drugs/foods. Usually the body absorbs nutrients through the intestine. This is why having food in your stomach that will absorb alcohol is important. Slowing the body's consumption of booze is critical.

Good luck and be safe.

PG

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Clayton it sounds like you know the answer to your question but aren't 100% convinced of it. Start of slowly, drink 3 beers over one night, drink 5 beers, etc, maybe drink 1 per 45 minutes or an hour so you know where you're at. But if you go through freshman year without having at least 1-2 crazy drunk experiences it will be a shame.

Drinking helps with getting college girls because it takes their level of inhibition from point A and lowers it to point B. Once you start getting drunk it's very obvious what the effects are. The fact that you have hooked up with some girls is a good sign that you are not aloof or weird, because if someone says on an internet messageboard "i've never gotten drunk how do i get girls" I will set the line at them being a loserish nerd very high. You rushing also is a good sign. But if you tell the fraternity ANY of this... you are in for a tough time. They will laugh and destroy you. You are also going to have to learn to drink before that, otherwise pledging will not go well.

Also, no, there are no books for learning how to drink, lol. Just do it. If you start off slow drinking beer you have a 0% chance of blacking out. If after 4 hours you say "LETS DO SOME [censored] SHOTS [censored]" and down 4 shots in 10 minutes then you are on course to have a chance of blacking out if you keep that up.

This isn't that weird a fear, I drink a lot and I get worried about not being in control or forgetting everything too. So I would call not getting pissy drunk during freshman year really really dumb, but the blackout fear isn't bad like that IMO.

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does anyone konw why a lot of the time I can blackout but not have an awful hangover in the morning, but then other nights I have a painful hangover but didnt black out?