NL200 Flush push
 

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NL200 @ Party

Villian: Decent player. He has done anything to shock me. Only been at the table for about 30 minutes but I had only seen him play from the blinds, button and CO. Him raising from UTG+1 made me think high pair, AK or AQs.

UTG+1: $220 (Villian)
UTG+2: $350
SB: $175
BB: $150 (Hero)

Villian opens for $6
UTG2 calls
SB calls
Hero calls w/A [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]T [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]

Flop: 4 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]2 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]9 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (Pot=$24)
SB checks, Hero checks, Villian bets $25, 2 folds, Hero pushes all-in for $142.

I see it as a push or fold situation. Villian bet pot so I put him on an overpair or a set of 9's. He likes his hand and doesn't want to give anyone the odds to draw.

So...

1) Good push? I hate calling here because if my flush does come then I won't get paid for hitting it. With my push, it pretty much tells him that I at least have the A [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] or possibly a made flush / low set.

2) Do you call in his situation with an overpair or a set?

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Before I put my all my chips at risk on a draw, I always ask myself "how much am i willing to lose?". If the answer is everything, I would at least give myself a chance to outplay the other person. I would of minraised him to $50 and see what he did. If you miss on the turn and he bet, then well, i guess you have to push since you were willing to risk it after the flop anyway.

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lead, 3 bet allin. Its alot more natural.

Your line is good as lon as you do with with sets and made flushes and top 2. It works better though on 2 flsuh card boards. I do it alot with sets and flush draws, good for the image

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lead, 3 bet allin. Its alot more natural.

Your line is good as lon as you do with with sets and made flushes and top 2. It works better though on 2 flsuh card boards. I do it alot with sets and flush draws, good for the image

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Given stack sizes I think checkraise is better.

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Hero leads for 15, villan makes it 65, hero push 100 more. 10 times better.

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Hero leads for 15, villan makes it 65, hero push 100 more. 10 times better.

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hero only has 150 ...

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Hero leads for 15, villan makes it 65, hero push 100 more. 10 times better.

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Disagree, villain is too committed.

Hero only has 150 to start with.

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Is this really a good call preflop given the range you put him on?

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Not 10 times better. Hero isnt looking for a call, he makes his money when the villan folds. C/r line gets this done better than 3 bet. The 3 bet commits the villan w/ the stack sizes.

Still a fold pf.

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Is this really a good call preflop given the range you put him on?

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No. It was a fairly loose call looking back at it. I made the odd call like this sometimes because I know that I'm perfectly fine laying down a pair of aces. I'd need 2 pair or better to continue post flop.

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Hero leads for 15, villan makes it 65, hero push 100 more. 10 times better.

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The reason I don't like this is if he flats calls and I hit my flush on the turn there is no way I get paid unless he has the K [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]. Even with the K high flush, I wouldn't get much out of him.

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KDizzle,

Don’t call ATo to raise PF.


You’ll be worlds luckiest guy if you get a call from a bare Ace. Risk / reward ratio =[

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Hero leads for 15, villan makes it 65, hero push 100 more. 10 times better.

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The reason I don't like this is if he flats calls and I hit my flush on the turn there is no way I get paid unless he has the K [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]. Even with the K high flush, I wouldn't get much out of him.

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It looks like alternatively you’d rather push into a made flush or Ax [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] redraw.

Some % of the time you'll take the pot down on the flop.

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So the consensus is, bad call pre-flop good bet on the flop?


He flipped red kings, I hit a club on the turn and took it down. So I was a slight dog when I pushed but with the chance he folds... +EV?

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I prefer check-raising here, for a bunch of reasons.

1. your fold equity if raised is much smaller due to stack size
2. it avoids the scenario where you are called, miss turn and have tough decision
3. it avoids the scenario where you are called, hit clubs and get nothing more
4. the chances the other 2 put money in greater
5. it could get checked around so you see a free turn

-g

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Is this really a good call preflop given the range you put him on?

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No. It was a fairly loose call looking back at it. I made the odd call like this sometimes because I know that I'm perfectly fine laying down a pair of aces. I'd need 2 pair or better to continue post flop.

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Dont call looking for 2 pair or better. Are you gonna c/f an ace or a 10 on the flop. No, you will lose more money to find out you are behind. The money you lose does not make up for the money you win, since I assume, given his range, you rarely stack him on a A10x flop.

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Is this really a good call preflop given the range you put him on?

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No. It was a fairly loose call looking back at it. I made the odd call like this sometimes because I know that I'm perfectly fine laying down a pair of aces. I'd need 2 pair or better to continue post flop.

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Is this really a good call preflop given the range you put him on?

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No. It was a fairly loose call looking back at it. I made the odd call like this sometimes because I know that I'm perfectly fine laying down a pair of aces. I'd need 2 pair or better to continue post flop.

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Dont call looking for 2 pair or better. Are you gonna c/f an ace or a 10 on the flop. No, you will lose more money to find out you are behind. The money you lose does not make up for the money you win, since I assume, given his range, you rarely stack him on a A10x flop.

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He flipped red kings, I hit a club on the turn and took it down. So I was a slight dog when I pushed but with the chance he folds... +EV?

Going allin on the flop is +EV regardless. You're about 46% to win against an overpair to the board (except aces, of course).

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I don't like the call preflop given that you are OOP and put him on a range of hands that mostly have you dominated. I think the flop play is good though.