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i'm leaving poker for a while (for good?) but I just wanted to depart with a bit of advice for some of you guys playing the .25/.5 nl game. i hope this is helpful advice both for those struggling with these games and those hoping to move up.

the main thing that it seems like this forum has always had a problem with is getting value out of your good hands. this really, really, really needs to be driven in. you guys need to realize that when you flop a monster against someone elses overpair, you are taking all their money. when they flop a set against you, they will take it back. this is called poker. worrying about it at these levels is, with rare exception, a serious waste of time.

the money made in ssnl is from people overplaying dominated hands, especially preflop and when oop. if it seems close, bet. if it seems close, call. simply by virtue of preflop hand selection and positional agression you will have better hands almost always when money goes in and you will always get good action. playing in such a way so as to get only two bets in postflop with tptk or better is often leaving money on the table (though there are obvious exceptions such as KK2 or 678 flop holding AA).

those times you find yourself OOP with ak and an a flop? oh well. happens to everyone. that money is just trading hands. you might be asking yourself "but shouldnt folding strong but non-nut hands be a skill i should be working on?" my answer is: of course. but at the same time, by not playing these hands agressively you will develop very poor habbits at higher levels. its also the only way to develop your game in the more difficult situations, because by playing weakly and passively with top pair you also implicitly abandom the smaller pots that are to be won here.

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While I will disagree with you on a few of your points, I think I speak for everyone that we wish you the best of luck and that you'll be missed.

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im interesting in hearing more on this. i personally have seen my tptk be good frequently enough to make bet, bet, bet (or alternatively bet, bet, check against agressive players on drawish boards)look very attractive against uknowns.

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While I will disagree with you on a few of your points,

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im interesting in hearing more on this. i personally have seen my tptk be good frequently enough to make bet, bet, bet (or alternatively bet, bet, check against agressive players on drawish boards)look very attractive against uknowns.

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What I'm saying is that I don't see the instances where you have AA and he makes a set as a situation where you're just going to broke and he would do the same and it's just a time that money is changing hands. If that were the case, then it would ultimately be an neutral EV game. The thing that separates the men from the boys, as it were, is a players ability NOT to go broke in that situation, as much as it is his ability to make the other guy go broke.

Now, I don't disagree with you that there's a problem on these board of people not getting enough value out of their big hands, but I do think that in many of those cases, it really because they are situations where they shouldn't be playing big pots with one pair hands.

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What I'm saying is that I don't see the instances where you have AA and he makes a set as a situation where you're just going to broke and he would do the same and it's just a time that money is changing hands. If that were the case, then it would ultimately be an neutral EV game.

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there are certainly cituations i fold overpair or tptk. they are situations like kk on a 6789 board and i get raised. or ak on an jqa board. my point is that doing anything but value betting when nothing but a set or two pair beats you is wrong in most situations. tptk is a pretty big hand in these games.

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xorbie -

Thanks for everything. You've been great for the forum, and your advice was always good reading.

I hope that whatever the circumstances that find you leaving poker are not bad, and that we'll see you again in the future if you choose.

Take care,

John

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What I'm saying is that I don't see the instances where you have AA and he makes a set as a situation where you're just going to broke and he would do the same and it's just a time that money is changing hands. If that were the case, then it would ultimately be an neutral EV game.

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there are certainly cituations i fold overpair or tptk. they are situations like kk on a 6789 board and i get raised. or ak on an jqa board. my point is that doing anything but value betting when nothing but a set or two pair beats you is wrong in most situations. tptk is a pretty big hand in these games.

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I'm not necessarily saying that it's wrong to value bet, value bet, value bet, but I think that in these games, you see a lot more loose calls than aggressive bets and that you really need to slow down to any type of pressure.

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I hope that whatever the circumstances that find you leaving poker are not bad, and that we'll see you again in the future if you choose.


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nothing terrible, im just wasting too much time and energy playing this game for the time being. its not fun or profitable for me to play atm.

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Good luck with whatever you do man, you taught me/us alot on these forums, thanks for everything

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Hey man, good luck. I don't know how much you've realized it but reading yours and TWP's (and sometimes Soah's) advice and threads has done more in these last 2-3 months for my game so quickly that it's astonishing to me looking back.
I see where you're coming from (I'm a soph at school and alot of times I question if it's worth it); often you just wonder if there are better ways to spend your time and if you're really making enough money to make all of this worth it. Hopefully you'll be back. I know for me when I'm burning out a couple of weeks off and a slow return always reinvigorates my interest.

Have a good holiday off (from school and poker) and best wishes. Thanks for your time here.

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You have been an asset to this forum and your advice will be missed. Good luck and hopefully we will see you around here again some time.

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xorbie -

Thanks for everything. You've been great for the forum, and your advice was always good reading.

I hope that whatever the circumstances that find you leaving poker are not bad, and that we'll see you again in the future if you choose.

Take care,

Ben

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don't know you too well, xorbie, but i respect the advice you give here. your insight into the game has opened up my eyes in certain situations and i appreciate it.

gl and hope to see you back on the tables.

btw - will you be posting at all, or taking a complete break from all things poker?

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I am sorry to hear this. I am full ring who wants to start in on the 6 max games soon and found your posts quite interesting. Hopefully another 6 max SS player will step up and fill the gap.

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I am sorry to hear this. I am full ring who wants to start in on the 6 max games soon and found your posts quite interesting. Hopefully another 6 max SS player will step up and fill the gap.

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a lot of the better SSNL players play 6max (not discounting full ring players at all, just different games)

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i think i speak for everyone when i say:

we'll miss your laugh. we'll miss your scent. we'll miss your musk. when this all gets sorted out, i think we should get an apartment together...


haha good luck amigo. don't do anything solids wouldn't do.

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xorbie -

Thanks for everything. You've been great for the forum, and your advice was always good reading.

I hope that whatever the circumstances that find you leaving poker are not bad, and that we'll see you again in the future if you choose.

Take care,

Akira Hoshiyama

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xorbie--

Thanks for your service to this little poker community. You shall be missed.

--aj

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You have been an asset to this forum and your advice will be missed. Good luck and hopefully we will see you around here again some time.

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You have been an asset to this forum and your advice will be missed. Good luck and hopefully we will see you around here again some time.

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Your advice, while simple and short at times, was always effective. Thanks for the great wealth of information you shared- we're gonna miss you.

GL in the future, hope that all goes well.

orange

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damn xorbie, i'm going to miss your ass. haha remember that hand where we both got it all in on the river with the same damn underpair??? wasn't that some [!@#$%].

it's going to suck with you being gone man, you really need to call me every couple of weeks to check up. i'm really going to miss you

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Thanks for all the advice over the past few months

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Man... I'm still smarting from this hand when you and I used to play the $25 tables together. For some reason this hand sticks in my head... you raised with AK. I reraised with pocket kings to your immediate left. You called.

Flop: AKx... you bet, I raise... you reraise... I go all in.

You river an ace. I remember chatting and you said you knew I had a set but you were hoping to push me off a low set. lol.

I've been waiting for the chance to suck out on you but it may not be.

Take care and good luck.

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Man... I'm still smarting from this hand when you and I used to play the $25 tables together. For some reason this hand sticks in my head... you raised with AK. I reraised with pocket kings to your immediate left. You called.

Flop: AKx... you bet, I raise... you reraise... I go all in.

You river an ace. I remember chatting and you said you knew I had a set but you were hoping to push me off a low set. lol.

I've been waiting for the chance to suck out on you but it may not be.

Take care and good luck.

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p.s. i still remember the hand
p.s.s you didnt reraise me preflop.

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why are you quitting poker?

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im just wasting too much time and energy playing this game for the time being. its not fun or profitable for me to play atm.

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