Playing on-line poker underage (17)
 

Im 17, started playing poker at 15, am up $2000, and just got an email saying i must provide correct details (address etc.) after they did a random security check.

I have just made a withdrawal, will I get that (can they legally keep my money from me - im 17).

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*edit* of course i am actually 18 for this forum....

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Im 17, started playing poker at 15,

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I have just made a withdrawal, will I get that (can they legally keep my money from me - im 17).

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...They can do what they want! No regards what so ever. And if you break their rules they can do whatEVER they want - keeping your money is a possibility!
Hope you get your money anyway.

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ok, i realise that they can do whatever they want. But what is the probability of them allowing my withdrawal to go through? Its prima btw.

thanks for the help!

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BTW - they did not expicitly state that I was underage, they simply said that my details did not match my credit card details!

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if they confirm you are underage, yes they can take your money. but i dont think they will. your money will be safe, even though you deserve to lose it. I sincerely hope you actually do lose your money too. little kids shouldnt be playing poker

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So if I understand you correctly, you were asked to provide further verification for your identity and THEN cashed out? If so, you might get your money if you're lucky and one department isn't really paying attention to what other departments are doing. [edit: Prima? Lol, I've never had more trouble financially with any other network and I'm legit]

I don't know about the laws of every country but if you're in the U.S. there is no "legally" when it comes to technically illegal online poker and no reasonable way to force an overseas company to pay out when they screw you over even when you ARE of legal age according to their terms. You apparently aren't and are most likely screwed. When I inadvertantly signed up for a no-Americans site [a Prima site](and I'm well over legal age, sigh...) they just refunded me my original deposit (and according to their terms they didn't have to).

Honestly, they screwed up by letting you get past their system so they should refund your original deposit but if you can't even demonstrate that your funding source is legitimate, who knows what they'll do. You're the kind of player that makes the poker sites and the rest of us real nervous.

Some times sites have been shamed into doing the right thing towards their customers when they catch a lot of flack in busy forums like this one but you're exactly the kind of person the people interested in killing online poker use as a poster boy.

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if they confirm you are underage, yes they can take your money. but i dont think they will. your money will be safe, even though you deserve to lose it. I sincerely hope you actually do lose your money too. little kids shouldnt be playing poker

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Just because I am a few months under the "legal age limit" means that I am all of a sudden a "little kid"?? I don't agree with that. I have more money sense that most 18yr olds, I am intellegent (AAA A-levels). Back up your arguments please.

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So if I understand you correctly, you were asked to provide further verification for your identity and THEN cashed out? If so, you might get your money if you're lucky and one department isn't really paying attention to what other departments are doing.

I don't know about the laws of every country but if you're in the U.S. there is no "legally" when it comes to technically illegal online poker and no reasonable way to force an overseas company to pay out when they screw you over even when you ARE of legal age according to their terms. You apparently aren't and are most likely screwed. When I inadvertantly signed up for a no-Americans site (and I'm well over legal age, sigh...) they just refunded me my original deposit (and according to their terms they didn't have to).

Honestly, they screwed up by letting you get past their system so they should refund your original deposit but if you can't even demonstrate that your funding source is legitimate, who knows what they'll do. You're the kind of player that makes the poker sites and the rest of us real nervous.

Some times sites have been shamed into doing the right thing towards their customers when they catch a lot of flack in busy forums like this one but you're exactly the kind of person the people interested in killing online poker use as a poster boy.

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I agree completely. I am not proud of having been addicted to poker at such a young age. I would be more than happy to have my last cash out, and then say adios. I can't believe that nothing has been done to stop people like me for the last 3 years!! [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img] [img]/images/graemlins/ooo.gif[/img]

I am in the UK btw.

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if they confirm you are underage, yes they can take your money. but i dont think they will. your money will be safe, even though you deserve to lose it. I sincerely hope you actually do lose your money too. little kids shouldnt be playing poker

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Wow. He's 17. That's only two years younger than me. And I am certainly not a "little kid." If he's a little kid, you must be around 80 or so, right? Well old geezers shouldn't be playing poker either, they call down too much with bad hands and poop their pants all the time. So get bent, geezer.

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The short answer is there is no way to force these sites to do anything. They are outside the jurisdictions of most countries and it would cost far more than $2000 to force them to pay out. If you used financial information from a legitimate person, you'll want to get them involved quickly.

[edit] I know some sites are licensed, certified, (or something like that) within the EU but I have no idea about UK laws so I'll have to take a pass from here.

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Wow. He's 17. That's only two years younger than me. And I am certainly not a "little kid." If he's a little kid, you must be around 80 or so, right? Well old geezers shouldn't be playing poker either, they call down too much with bad hands and poop their pants all the time. So get bent, geezer.

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thanks man. [img]/images/graemlins/cool.gif[/img]

If they refused to refund me:
1. Could I wait another few months, then refund.
2. Could I "blackmail" them with bad publicity?

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Blackmail won't work in this case and I don't think you'll get a lot of support here. If you can provide the documents they're asking for when you turn 18, that might work. But I have to think they're likely to lock your account sooner than that if you can't provide the information they've asked for in a reasonably timely manner.

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You should research this in a reputable source. See National Lampoon's Vegas Vacation to see how to handle this situation.

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will this work ?

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So whose credit card did you use?

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my debit card

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Like a visa check card? You can't have one of those until you're 18. And you can't deposit with a MAC or STAR card or anything. So whose did you use?

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Advice from a law student taking a break from finals:

1.) yes, your money is in jeopardy. you violated the terms of service by signing up when you were under 18. While it is dirty that they don't check until you accumulate significant earnings, that doesn't help your cause i'm afraid.

2.) the fake ID idea is awful. Don't do something illegal to get out of something illegal.

3.) while the "little kid" comment was harsh, I think I understand the point. Those of us who are 18 and over are concerned to some extent about the gray area online poker occupies in the states. a couple weeks ago, a 60 minutes segment talked about online gambling, and their big moment was when they tried to have an under 18 sign up for a site. The public tolerates people who've reached the age of majority gaming online, but frown upon minors doing the same. Simply put: those of you who are under 18, don't get involved in something that you want to be around once you reach that age.

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Like a visa check card? You can't have one of those until you're 18. And you can't deposit with a MAC or STAR card or anything. So whose did you use?

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I'm in the UK FYI
I used by own card.

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if they confirm you are underage, yes they can take your money. but i dont think they will. your money will be safe, even though you deserve to lose it. I sincerely hope you actually do lose your money too. little kids shouldnt be playing poker

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I'm kinda surprised to hear something so utterly ignorant come from you. There are countless 16-20 year olds that are making a killing at internet poker, and your distasteful remark reeks of jealousy.

in regards to the OP, follow the advice of the peopl who know what they are talking about. Don't do anything overly stupid/illegal. protect that roll at all costs.

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I'm kinda surprised to hear something so utterly ignorant come from you. There are countless 16-20 year olds that are making a killing at internet poker, and your distasteful remark reeks of jealousy.

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Its not jealousy. I agree, get the kids away from poker. The 16 year old gambling addict is gonna be the excuse with which the right wing makes online poker truly illegal. A few kids are gonna [censored] this up for everyone.

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Just because I am a few months under the "legal age limit" means that I am all of a sudden a "little kid"?? I don't agree with that. I have more money sense that most 18yr olds, I am intellegent (AAA A-levels). Back up your arguments please.


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You are a little kid because you broke the rules for several years and are now looking for ways out of taking responsibility for your actions. Possibly making a bad situation worse by thinking of mocking up some fake id to get your money. I'm not in the UK so I don't know how bad that is but it probably isn't good.

You are a little kid because you are trying to equate what in the states would be high school grades to anything beyond high school.

You are a little kid because you are in high school (or whatever it's called over there) and think you know more than you do. Not that big a deal really because everyone in your shoes thinks the same thing.

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Like a visa check card? You can't have one of those until you're 18. And you can't deposit with a MAC or STAR card or anything. So whose did you use?

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I'm in the UK FYI
I used by own card.

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First of all, not all teenagers are little kids. I have better money management than half of the donks I play with. I've been playing poker since last July and have had some moderate success. I have won between $7000-$8000 (didn't keep track of my arly withdrawals). I say that not all teenagers are little kids is because I am 16. Sixteen. I make more money playing poker than all my friends do working for $7.25 at Target (however I did just get a real job). You must be thinking, darn kids these days - all they do is sit in front of the computer screen! Well no. A "kid" is allowed to be 1)Smart 2)Have good morals and be 3)Social.

Please, younger kids do not pose any threat to you at the poker table whatsoever. They are just another name sitting behind a computer someonwhere in the world, playing the exact same game you older ppl are, with the exact same rules, seeing the exact same cards.

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Please, younger kids do not pose any threat to you at the poker table whatsoever. They are just another name sitting behind a computer someonwhere in the world, playing the exact same game you older ppl are, with the exact same rules, seeing the exact same cards.


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You obviously do not understand that the threat you pose is larger than what you describe here. The threat is that the US Government will explicitly make online gambling illegal for all because under age kids are playing online and losing their college funds. As soon as they prosecute a few online players, the game will be dead in the USA...

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I have more money sense that most 18yr olds, I am intellegent (AAA A-levels), FACE FACTS TARD

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Please, younger kids do not pose any threat to you at the poker table whatsoever. They are just another name sitting behind a computer someonwhere in the world, playing the exact same game you older ppl are, with the exact same rules, seeing the exact same cards.

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This is the exact reason some folks will refer to you as little kids, becuase you cant see the big picture and the world as you know it ends at the tip of your nose.

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if they confirm you are underage, yes they can take your money. but i dont think they will. your money will be safe, even though you deserve to lose it. I sincerely hope you actually do lose your money too. little kids shouldnt be playing poker

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Sounds like someone is jealous that they cannot make 2,000 playing poker. I seriously don't get why you would have a stuck up attitude about this. Him earning 2k through poker is NO different than you doing it.

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It all makes sense now.

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Wait until you're legal to cash anything out.

OR

get your parents help... they might be uber pissed off at you playing poker, but they'll probably want the 2K as well.

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ok, i realise that they can do whatever they want. But what is the probability of them allowing my withdrawal to go through? Its prima btw.

thanks for the help!

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You are so screwed dude.

Prima steals money from people who don't break any rules.

Imagine what they will do with someone who has broken the rules.

Who knows maybe they will pay you..

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if they confirm you are underage, yes they can take your money. but i dont think they will. your money will be safe, even though you deserve to lose it. I sincerely hope you actually do lose your money too. little kids shouldnt be playing poker

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Wow. He's 17. That's only two years younger than me. And I am certainly not a "little kid."

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you're a little kid

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There are alot of 16-24 year old gamers who are kicking the snot out of alot of 30-40 year old donks who watch poker on ESPN and then sign up for Party.

Never knew this board so full of such old farts.

(I'm a week from 25 btw).

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if they confirm you are underage, yes they can take your money. but i dont think they will. your money will be safe, even though you deserve to lose it. I sincerely hope you actually do lose your money too. little kids shouldnt be playing poker

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Wow. He's 17. That's only two years younger than me. And I am certainly not a "little kid."

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you're a little kid

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are not!!!

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Like a visa check card? You can't have one of those until you're 18. And you can't deposit with a MAC or STAR card or anything. So whose did you use?

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I'm in the UK FYI
I used by own card.

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First of all, not all teenagers are little kids. I have better money management than half of the donks I play with. I've been playing poker since last July and have had some moderate success. I have won between $7000-$8000 (didn't keep track of my arly withdrawals). I say that not all teenagers are little kids is because I am 16. Sixteen. I make more money playing poker than all my friends do working for $7.25 at Target (however I did just get a real job). You must be thinking, darn kids these days - all they do is sit in front of the computer screen! Well no. A "kid" is allowed to be 1)Smart 2)Have good morals and be 3)Social.

Please, younger kids do not pose any threat to you at the poker table whatsoever. They are just another name sitting behind a computer someonwhere in the world, playing the exact same game you older ppl are, with the exact same rules, seeing the exact same cards.

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smartalecc I cant PM you, do you have a AIM SN?

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Just because I am a few months under the "legal age limit" means that I am all of a sudden a "little kid"?? I don't agree with that.

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Let's say you go on holiday with your girlfriend, who is exactly one day younger than you, to California, our most liberal state, and probably our most sexually liberated. The legal age of consent for sex in California is 18, and there is no defense to prosecution based on the relative age of the participants. So, under California law, if you and your girlfriend have sex one minute before midnight on your 18th birthday, while she is still 17, then you have committed a felony and can be sent to prison for several years. Wait one minute before inserting, and it's perfectly legal.

I don't agree with a lot of laws, but laws tend to have bright lines rather than leave their interpretation up to individuals. Sort of like poker.

Personally, I could care less if you play online poker. But when you do, and get caught, and lose your money, don't come whining here. And for sure don't go raising a big stink about it, because as several others have said, that's exactly what the right wingers are looking for as an excuse to shut down online poker--protecting the innocent little kiddies.

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Is this your first cashout? I think your mistake was waiting to cash out such a huge sum when you knew you were already at risk by being underage. I have never dealt with prima but it sounds like their CS sucks. I have no advice for you. But I am interested to see what happens. If you get screwed, lesson learned. Redeposit somewhere else when you turn 18 with your minwage from target.

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On another note. If I was 40 and had a pretty bright 15 year old. I would set up an account for him to play poker for money. I would take 50 percent for backing him of course.

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I don't think playing online poker under age in the UK is illegal per se, just against TOS - the purpose of the laws against under age gambling is to protect the under-age person so it's most unlikely that the minor is himself committing a criminal offence.
Those under-age folks who occasionally 'win' the National Lottery don't get paid out, but they aren't arrested either...

Providing a fake ID to an offshore poker company isn't a great idea but off the top of my head the only applicable offence I can think of is obtaining monies by deception and as they are 'your' monies anyway I'm not so sure that anyone is going to care very much..the company is only asking for proof of ID to comply with money luandering regs not because they are hyper-vigilant about under age players

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My friend had the same situation some time back.