Buying Kane\'s Hand History Database
 

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I'll start with no idea because I really don't know how good this guy is. I'm not a regular here. I do believe in paying for good and educative poker stuff.

Indy

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Reasons for these No votes? I thought this guy was brilliant???

Indy

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how many hands?
how $$?

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How are you planning on using the database? For some people it is probably good value, for other people it definitely isn't.

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I study it and consider what I would do on each hand versus what he does. Then I'd apply it to my poker arsenal across all kinds of game formats.

Indy

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I doubt it's worth it. You'll see some tilted hands that worked out well and be like 'awesome move'. You won't have necessary reads. You won't play the same style that he plays. Without commentary seems like a big waste of time and money to me.

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how many hands?
how $$?

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I am selling my Entire Party Poker Hand Database for $10/20 No Limit Poker.

My Winrate was 2.96ptbb/100 hands over 200,000 hands for an hourly rate of about $355

This is my entire, unaltered database.

The Price is $350, the same as my hourly rate.

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I think the price is right, but timewise it might be tough to sift through everything and find the juicy nuggets. However keep in mind you don't have to look at all 200k hands to figure out what he does.

I think you're forgetting one good concept regarding poker purchases....if you learn one new thing it'd pay for itself.

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I doubt it's worth it. You'll see some tilted hands that worked out well and be like 'awesome move'. You won't have necessary reads. You won't play the same style that he plays. Without commentary seems like a big waste of time and money to me.

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i have notes on every hand where i lost my stack.

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i have notes on every hand where i lost my stack.

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i have notes on every hand where i lost my stack.

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yes, i didnt know it was different.

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I doubt it's worth it. You'll see some tilted hands that worked out well and be like 'awesome move'. You won't have necessary reads. You won't play the same style that he plays. Without commentary seems like a big waste of time and money to me.

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i have notes on every hand where i lost my stack.

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Then this is worth 10x what you're asking.

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notes could be a brief one liner, for example:

"this guy is a nit i need to fold KK to him here"

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I take it that Kane is considered one of the best NL cash game players around here?

Indy

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I doubt it's worth it. You'll see some tilted hands that worked out well and be like 'awesome move'. You won't have necessary reads. You won't play the same style that he plays. Without commentary seems like a big waste of time and money to me.

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i have notes on every hand where i lost my stack.

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You do? WTF.

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I take it that Kane is considered one of the best NL cash game players around here?

Indy

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My Winrate was 2.96ptbb/100 hands over 200,000 hands

For some reason I got the idea that this game might be substantially more profitable than 30/60 limit. I guess not.

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My Winrate was 2.96ptbb/100 hands over 200,000 hands

For some reason I got the idea that this game might be substantially more profitable than 30/60 limit. I guess not.

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I doubt it's worth it. You'll see some tilted hands that worked out well and be like 'awesome move'. You won't have necessary reads. You won't play the same style that he plays. Without commentary seems like a big waste of time and money to me.

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i have notes on every hand where i lost my stack.

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You do? WTF.

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Yes, why is this surprising? If the hand is textbook Ill just write "OK". Im not giving an analysis when I get 3 outed on the river.

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For $1,000 I'd think about it for a while, but probably still end up buying. For $350, I think it's a no-brainer if poker is a serious part of your life (i.e. you count on it as part of your income, as I think a good portion of MHNL posters do).

Kirk

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My Winrate was 2.96ptbb/100 hands over 200,000 hands

For some reason I got the idea that this game might be substantially more profitable than 30/60 limit. I guess not.

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What are the 30/60 winrates? I was at 3.6ptbb/100 after 180K hands if you want to use that number instead.

edit: if i averaged in my winrate(not dollars won) and hand played at 50/100 NL, id be back up around 3.6ptbb/100.

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KKF any reason you aren't including your 5/10 6 max hands?

Would you consider including those?

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Stop bragging. Anyway, send me a free copy please. Cheers kid.

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KKF any reason you aren't including your 5/10 6 max hands?

Would you consider including those?

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i deleted them all sadly.

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My Winrate was 2.96ptbb/100 hands over 200,000 hands

For some reason I got the idea that this game might be substantially more profitable than 30/60 limit. I guess not.

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What are the 30/60 winrates? I was at 3.6ptbb/100 after 180K hands if you want to use that number instead.

edit: if i averaged in my winrate(not dollars won) and hand played at 50/100 NL, id be back up around 3.6ptbb/100.

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2.5ish for a very good player. Probably somewhere around 20-30% more hands per hour per table as well I would guess.

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Probably somewhere around 20-30% more hands per hour per table as well I would guess.

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Are you sure about this? KKF is playing w/ probably an AP of 5-6.

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My Winrate was 2.96ptbb/100 hands over 200,000 hands

For some reason I got the idea that this game might be substantially more profitable than 30/60 limit. I guess not.

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What are the 30/60 winrates? I was at 3.6ptbb/100 after 180K hands if you want to use that number instead.

edit: if i averaged in my winrate(not dollars won) and hand played at 50/100 NL, id be back up around 3.6ptbb/100.

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2.5ish for a very good player. Probably somewhere around 20-30% more hands per hour per table as well I would guess.

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So how many hands are you guys seeing in an hour?

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By the way, I'm not screwing with Kane or anything here. I am actually considering this purchase. What would be the best way to view this database? Would I have to load it into a reader or just review each hand in its raw form?

Indy

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Probably somewhere around 20-30% more hands per hour per table as well I would guess.

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Are you sure about this? KKF is playing w/ probably an AP of 5-6.

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I gotta go in a minute so I don't have to look it up exactly, but ballpark 75ish full 120ish short. In my head was comparing short to short and full to full, but b/c of limited tables, short games aren't available at peak hours, so it's probably significantly less than 20-30% overall.

Edit: My AP is around 7.8

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3PTBB/100 in 10/20NL is the same as 2PTBB/100 in 30/60 I am not sure if many players can sustain 2PTBB/100 at 30/60 limit. Bear in mind that this 3PTBB/100 of Kane is big surprise for many posters here. There for sure are people who can sustain at least 5PTBB/100.
Btw its little strange that winrates are similair at every limit level (3BB/100 is godlike at almost any level) but in NL it changes drastically. Up to 200NL you can easily kill the game for 10PTBB/100 or more but things are not so happy at higher levels where even sth like 5PTBB/100 maybe considered dominating the game.

Best wishes

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I figured since Kane seems to be one of the best players at this limit, no one would be making 5 or 6 if he's only at 3. Maybe 3.75 tops. 2+ isn't an unreasonable long-term winrate for a very good 30 player. It's when you start getting near 3 that you're really pushing the bounds of what's possible/sustainable IMO.

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So, can I ask, how are you planning on distributing the DB to people who purchase it? at 200,000 hands, I'm guessing the file size will be pretty significant, so electronic transfer might be awkward...

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Bear in mind that this 3PTBB/100 of Kane is big surprise for many posters here. There for sure are people who can sustain at least 5PTBB/100.

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No. Not at the 10/20. Are you just making this stuff up or does it have some grounding?

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last I checked PT databases aren't binary and text compresses very well.

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Bear in mind that this 3PTBB/100 of Kane is big surprise for many posters here. There for sure are people who can sustain at least 5PTBB/100.

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No. Not at the 10/20. Are you just making this stuff up or does it have some grounding?

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it sounds like no grounding. also, 200nl is not "easily beatable for 10ptbb or more".

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last I checked PT databases aren't binary and text compresses very well.

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its like 190MB after zipped. i was planning on mailing them on a CD.

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By the way, I'm not screwing with Kane or anything here. I am actually considering this purchase. What would be the best way to view this database? Would I have to load it into a reader or just review each hand in its raw form?

Indy

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Do you have Pokertracker? However you view your hands is how you can view my hands. Its as if you stole my Notebook and have my PT with all my hands.

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last I checked PT databases aren't binary and text compresses very well.

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No, it's binary. It's all stored in MS Access files.. which compress okay, but not wonderfully.

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it sounds like no grounding. also, 200nl is not "easily beatable for 10ptbb or more".

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Grounding is the following : When Kane wrote that he beat 10/20 for 3PTBB/100 there were bunch of people who said "ONLY !??". No more grounding.
And yes 200NL is easily beatable for 10PTBB/100. The problem is most people who can easily do it moved up long ago.

EDIT : in fact I wrote 10PTBB/100 to avoid being flamed I believe even higher results are sustainable but it I guess its not easy.