OOT rules clarification
 

Dynasty and other mods,

I was banned yesterday for asking a question about whether or not two members of this forum were dating. I now realize that posting this kind of speculation regarding such ultrasensitive personal information is a major offense on 2+2 and I apologize deeply to all of those who were hurt by my callous actions.

I would however, like to ask for clarification on a few other items, so as to minimize the chances of being banned again.

Drinking - there have been numerous posts by other 2+2ers that describe excessive drinking by other forum members. Is this acceptable? A number of times 2+2ers have posted information about going out with me and witnessing my excessive drinking. This seems like pretty personal information to be sharing - is this OK?

Gambling - I have seen lots of posts across this forum that involve accounts of large gambling losses, including some of mine. This is pretty sensitive financial information, so I just wanted some clarification on what is OK to talk about when describing crazy gambling done by forum members.

Mental health - A poster yesterday created a whole thread focused around speculation that I might be going crazy. This thread resulted in extensive hurtful discussion. Sort of wondering why this was allowed to remain.

Drug use - In another thread, there was posted speculation (apparently from 2 members) that I was the person doing crazy amounts of cocaine. I'm a little shocked that my name was linked in that thread along with known degenerate drug users like crsig, cmfzzed, and DcigrThs (names changed to preserve anonymity). While that thread did make clear I was not that person, the speculation does seem very hurtful.

Sexual orientation - A forum member posted speculation that I had homosexual desire for bruiper and others also speculated that I am in love with anavardo (again, names changed). Not quite sure why this topic of speculation is allowed on here.

Anyway, like I said, there has been much speculation and discussion on this forum that I might be an insane cheating homosexual cokehead who drinks and gambles to excess, and all of that discussion was allowed to continue unabated. It sounds like you guys are now trying to reign in this outrageous behavior. I commend you for this and look forward to hearing more about the new policies.

I assume this is all a direct result of the new civility and decorum brought to this forum thanks to Quick Reply.

Best regards,
El Diablo

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El Diablo = Paul Phillips?

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"I might be an insane cheating homosexual cokehead who drinks and gambles to excess, and all of that discussion was allowed to continue unabated"

So, are you or not?

I used quick reply,
-DMB

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PD: No, I obviously have nothing but the utmost respect for our moderators.

DMB: I'm not homosexual and I don't cheat.

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El Diablo,

This looks like the perfect spot for the "crop duster".

flatulently yours,

Shajen

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I might be an insane cheating homosexual cokehead who drinks and gambles to excess

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Looking forward to hanging out with you one night before New Year's.

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Also, I would like to thank you for changing the names of the other people. I know if I came on to an internet board and openly told everyone that I do certain illegal things, that I would want to be protected. If I ever become involved in any 2p2 rumors, it's good to know someone as yourself would have the decency to do such a thing.

P. Dirt

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drug users like crsig, cmfzzed, and DcigrThs (names changed to preserve anonymity

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brilliant [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img].

i could see why the thread may have been locked (thats a judgement call), especially if requested by said individuals from the thread but i have to say i am really surprised that you were banned for that (even for only a short period of time).

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El Diablo,

I'm glad to see the continual, positive impact of Quick Reply on these forums. It truly is a marvelous addition to the forums.

Missing your normal avatar,
Madtown

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You were banned? And for that? Very lame.

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I think the rules dont apply when talking about an internet celebtrity. much like the media.


also you must be going crazy. ive never seen u w/ a diff avatar.

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A ban for that? People around here are ban happy. Locking and maybe deleting the thread would have been adequate. I'm especially upset that it got locked as I was formulating a lame reply.

Happy posting,
Peace,
Merry Christmas, er, Happy Holidays,
Yours In Sanity,

Born 2 Loose

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el diablo,

i am sorry you experienced what was likely an unfair and oddly biased banning.

but surely you must realize that such speculation is NOT APPROPRIATE on the two+2 forums, despite what your common sense may tell you.

i am sure mslif and jason_t both forgive you.

appalled,
chuddo.

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B2L,

I have no problem with being banned for such an egregious violation of the rules. I look forward to all such unacceptable behavior (as described in my OP here) being curtailed in this new era of OOT. At the time I made the post yesterday, I did not understand the ultrasensitive nature of the question I so naively asked, but now I do. Having understood how serious and hurtful it was, the only source of confusion to me now is why that thread was locked instead of deleted.

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El D,

The thread has now actually been deleted.

Informatively,
Wookie

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good post El D.

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El Diablo,

Was the cocaine thing in regards to the "cokehead" account? Because IIRC that guy couldn't be bothered to even do laundry and you dont strike me as the type of guy who cant get his clothing cleaned.

Curiously,

NM

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jason_t is mine.

mslif, keep away from him. [img]/images/graemlins/mad.gif[/img]

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Diablo,

I believe this post should go in the new Bad Beat forum. Perhaps you've come across it already?

Best Wishes,
sfer

PS, I think that's a crappy way to get outed. Holla.

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El D,

U got banned for being a homosexual drug abuser....That Sucks...Glad to have u back....now that you are clean...

Holla

Vava

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I'll actually answer this seriously. The difference I think between your post, and some of the other things mentioned, is that the latter items are usually details that the posters in question offer up voluntarily. That's a lot different than speculating about someone or posting personal info that they wouldn't want to be public.

I'd bet for example that you wouldn't want J.A. Sucker or Boris to create a thread with your company name, or your picture, right? I'm sure there's funny ways they could work that info in, but there's an expected level of privacy that people should be able to expect. IMO.

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Hi El Diablo,

When I use Quick Reply, I always get an error. This makes me sad.

Best Wishes,
Kneel B4 Zod

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This is BS bro. Tell us some more gossip.

Who was the Mod that banned you?

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I'll actually answer this seriously. The difference I think between your post, and some of the other things mentioned, is that the latter items are usually details that the posters in question offer up voluntarily. That's a lot different than speculating about someone or posting personal info that they wouldn't want to be public.

I'd bet for example that you wouldn't want J.A. Sucker or Boris to create a thread with your company name, or your picture, right? I'm sure there's funny ways they could work that info in, but there's an expected level of privacy that people should be able to expect. IMO.

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I think this is a pretty damned good post.

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I'll actually answer this seriously. The difference I think between your post, and some of the other things mentioned, is that the latter items are usually details that the posters in question offer up voluntarily. That's a lot different than speculating about someone or posting personal info that they wouldn't want to be public.

I'd bet for example that you wouldn't want J.A. Sucker or Boris to create a thread with your company name, or your picture, right? I'm sure there's funny ways they could work that info in, but there's an expected level of privacy that people should be able to expect. IMO.

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I think this is a pretty damned good post.

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Nolanfan never disappoints when it comes to moderation stuff.

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Agree w/Ent and Nolan.

The way astro phrased it in his rules post is pretty much spot on.

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jason_t is mine.

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Bi[/i]tch, please.

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jason_t is mine.

mslif, keep away from him. [img]/images/graemlins/mad.gif[/img]

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You ladies need to settle your differences the old-fashioned way...with creamed corn wrestling. [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]

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also you must be going crazy. ive never seen u w/ a diff avatar.

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El D
I can't remember that far back. What was your avatar before the name change?

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IIRC, a picture of U.S. Grant.

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Hello Masked Man,

You were banned for that post?

bwahaha haha
hahaha hahahaha
hmph haha haha

Awaiting the poetry nits,
offTopic

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I'll actually answer this seriously. The difference I think between your post, and some of the other things mentioned, is that the latter items are usually details that the posters in question offer up voluntarily. That's a lot different than speculating about someone or posting personal info that they wouldn't want to be public.

I'd bet for example that you wouldn't want J.A. Sucker or Boris to create a thread with your company name, or your picture, right? I'm sure there's funny ways they could work that info in, but there's an expected level of privacy that people should be able to expect. IMO.

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I don't really think that's the same at all. What damage could happen or what violation is being done by speculationg as to whether or not two USER NAMES are dating. None IMO. Posting details of someone's work or posting their image without permission is much different as it could possibly be used to effect the person in real life.

I don't think this reaches that level at all. Now I can completely understand if the people involved PM'd a mod asking for the thread to be locked or removed and the mod chose to do so. However I don't think it was anywhere the level that should warrant premptive action.

I mean all it asked is if two users are dating. Nothing offensive or invasive what so ever.

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I assumed he meant this one:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v1...epboxer/al.jpg

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nolan,

Thank you for your response. However, this PM I received basically sums up why I don't think what you wrote really applies in this situation.

"...that it's perfectly reasonable for people who use 2+2 as an internet dating site and then hook up publicly while drunk at Magoo-fest to expect some modicum of privacy afterward. Shame on you and the rest of the rumor mongers!"

Also, as you point out, people create a level of detail regarding what they are comfortable discussing openly. For example, some are comfortable discussing winrates/income/etc. and others aren't. I fully agree that those boundaries should be respected. However, when an individual and his circle of friends openly post (on the forum, NOT in any sort of PM/IM/etc.) about his exploits picking up chicks and nailing strippers, it sets a standard for what one might expect to be talked about when it comes to said individual.


Your friend,
El Diablo

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Yeah, this is pretty much the last straw.

Mods, can you please IP ban this Diablo freak?

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[censored],

I agree with your post completely.

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If El D's post was lock-worthy and was banned, why didn't he get a * ?

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jason_t is mine.

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Bi[/i]tch, please.

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Both you shut up, He is mine!!! Someday we will be a happily married christian couple.

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If El D's post was lock-worthy and was banned, why didn't he get a * ?

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Only one OOT mod uses that system.

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Frickin' Commodus.