A very weird spot 10 20 party
 

Total donk idiot with 6k stack (74/40 or so) minraises UTG, 3 callers and I make it 240 with AQ and 2400 stack. Folded to the third cold caller who is 27/7 and seems to play well postflop(he has a name that leads me to believe he is a 2+2er) who makes it 600. His stack is 2k. What's the play here? Easy fold? Push? Calling seems to be worst, but I don't know for sure. You rarely see someone be the third cold caller and come over the top of a raise like this.
-James

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Just fold. I've stopped second guessing myself in these situations. Whenever someone plays a hand funny preflop and I get all-in w/ a mediocore hand, they always seem to turn over AA.

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Just fold. I've stopped second guessing myself in these situations. Whenever someone plays a hand funny preflop and I get all-in w/ a mediocore hand, they always seem to turn over AA.

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Yep. I hate satisfying some guy who butchers AA and making him think he played it brilliantly.

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Just fold. I've stopped second guessing myself in these situations. Whenever someone plays a hand funny preflop and I get all-in w/ a mediocore hand, they always seem to turn over AA.

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Yep. I hate satisfying some guy who butchers AA and making him think he played it brilliantly.

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nh.

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It's hard to believe that he would have a hand that has you dominated that he wouldn't repop a min-raise the first time around. Although I've seen big pairs played donkishly like this before, if you say he plays well, then I like shoving here given all the money in the pot already. If you have a good image, you have just enough FE, that he would have a tough time calling with less than TT+ Even if you do get called, I don't think your gonna be worse than a coinflip that often.

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If he's a 2+2er, this is probably his thought process. If I just cold call this, there is a good chance someone will try a squeeze play. Then I will reraise and he will be like wtf, who plays AA that way.

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If you think he plays good, push. See if he sticks it all in w 99.

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I played the 10/20 Party game a few weeks ago. There were actually 2 hands where someone min raised to 40 MP, and I pop it to 140$ w/ AQ...<i>Both</i> times I was re-raised to around 400-500$, and I fold both times..and they showed KK both times.

The kids on Party 10/20 NL Lovee limping and min-raising overpairs.

Another hand that hit me big. I'm on button w/ 99, two limpers mp. I raise to 80. Flop KQ2 checked to me, I check. Turn 9. 1st pos. bets 240 into me, I call. River K. OG better bets 500, I raise to 1k. He calls.. He has QQ. ..... . In retrospect I think I should've just called, in fear of KQ. .

To sum--I think it is a fold for the same reason Foxwoods says..Don't let the donk think his play was brilliant lol--

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Or he could be thinking, you're squeezing with some random hand and decide that by 3-betting he's going to represent a donkish AA or KK, and assumes you will fold everything other than AA or KK.

I played a very similar hand to this, where some LAG opens for 80, 5 callers. I raise pot with AKs from BB. Folds back to last caller, who shoves. I called and he had QT. Now that's not to say shoving in James282 is automatic, but I think that if he plays decent, his range in this situation is alot wider than just AA or KK.

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btw, if he plays good, the only hand im scared of here at all is AK - but i think that is rare.

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btw, if he plays good, the only hand im scared of here at all is AK - but i think that is rare.


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i might fear TT/JJ more.

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i might fear TT/JJ more.

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fear meaning thats what you think he would play like that, or fear meaning you hope he *doesnt* have that hand?

LA means the only hand we hate to see that he is likely to play like this is AK. If he has JJ or TT then we're really not in that bad of shape, and the size of the pot certainly dictates that we should move in and pray he folds.

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fear meaning i think ak is less likely to play this way, but i think its player dependent.

ak in position here i think most good players raise more often because (a) a set plays much better multiway than tptk and (b) theres not so much money in the pot that a raise completely comitts you even if you do hit tptk and (c) such a loose raiser might call anyway and TT and JJ much be harder to play on a Q/K high flop with some but not much action.

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Just to throw a number out there if he has AK and calls your push, it's 'only' about a $670 mistake pushing as opposed to folding

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This has happened to me twice at party, a minraise a bunch of callers, I reraise out of the blind with AK, and the 2nd or 3rd caller comes over the top. Both times I was like wtf? resteal! Yeah, i got shown AA.

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Imo its easy fold. In my experience that's AA/KK very very often.

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he wouldn't repop a min-raise the first time around. Although I've seen big pairs played donkishly like this before

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Its not donkey play if it provokes you to shove preflop with crap hand.

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If you think he plays good, push. See if he sticks it all in w 99

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I think you are terribly wrong here. Good player is good player because he sometimes play in strange manner in that way that you cant predict that easily what he has. The more decent he is the more reasons to fold. This kind of reasoning is very narrow minded you (and poster who I quoted above) assume that good players play ABC and only use "approved" line with their AA/KK. The thing is that when pot is small in NL you can make many random looking cheap plays (like smothcalling with AA after 2ppl) if this can induce enormous errors (like shoving with AQ) later in the hand. Its not limit, missing value in small pots is not that bad.

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Just fold. I've stopped second guessing myself in these situations.

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Agreed.

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I'm looking at this as a poker hand, not as "what happens in the party 2k game", so if that game plays differently from all other poker, then I am wrong, but...

We are not looking at this hand in a vacuum. We are looking at EV. We are looking at what happens every time in your poker life when this move comes up.

So the guy is a good player - a 2p2 type of player. My question is - How many times have all of you 2p2 type players made a move like this w/ AA, KK, QQ, AK and how many times have you made a resteal move like this with another hand? I am a 2p2 type of player, and I have made a move like this far more often with a hand other than AA-QQ, AK than I have with a monster.

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when i make this move i have AA/KK almost all of the time. i guess this would be a leak if my opponents were more observant, but they are not.

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uhm I think you guys are forgetting that the first raiser was crap with like 80 vpip or something.Dont you think that with AA the 3 cold caller would make a raise to play a big pot vs him?

There's no way he has AA nor KK in this spot imo.
AK is an option tho

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uhm I think you guys are forgetting that the first raiser was crap with like 80 vpip or something.Dont you think that with AA the 3 cold caller would make a raise to play a big pot vs him?

There's no way he has AA nor KK in this spot imo.
AK is an option tho

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actually, the same logic could be used in the reverse.
UTG minraiser has almost any two, hes prolly not going to call a reraise... hmmm... I have AA, let me call and see if people behind me will try to steal all the dead money in the pot with a reraise. If its not reraised, I will play a small pot unless I flop a set.
This logic obviously has some merit if the pot is being reraised with AQo, and if AQo is considering putting in his whole stack here.

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fwiw i think this depends a lot on whether or not the donk's raises have been getteing reraised or not. i've actually done the whole overlimp thing with AA/KK.

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fwiw i think this depends a lot on whether or not the donk's raises have been getteing reraised or not. i've actually done the whole overlimp thing with AA/KK.

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vry good post. This info needs to be included... OP?

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Yeah I see this goofy play on Party a lot and it's normally aces or kings.

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he raises that big, you are too often beat. i fold. plus you have the mini raiser. while a bad player, could have a real hand. i hate AQ here.

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im suprised to say this, but i agree with amulet. [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]

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he raises that big, you are too often beat. i fold. plus you have the mini raiser. while a bad player, could have a real hand. i hate AQ here.

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the mini-raiser is not in the hand anymore, he folded

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So, what he have?