KK preflop question
 

Is this an easy fold at the Party $55's? I am one from button with KK, it is 5th hand of tourn 3 limpers at 15 one raise of 125 I make it 275 and all in from SB and original raiser calls.

Re: KK preflop question
 

I always post this hand when someone asks about folding KK preflop. This was from a $55. Sucks that I lost though.

***** Hand History for Game 2972657227 *****
NL Texas Hold'em $50 Buy-in + $5 Entry Fee Trny:17095588 Level:4 Blinds(50/100) - Thursday, November 03, 01:38:49 EDT 2005
Table Table 68031 (Real Money)
Seat 3 is the button
Total number of players : 8
Seat 1: Deceptikon ( $970 )
Seat 9: valorous ( $1380 )
Seat 6: ILIKESCOTCH2 ( $390 )
Seat 5: yeedogger ( $1255 )
Seat 4: empireny ( $2942 )
Seat 3: grizabe ( $1130 )
Seat 2: OreoMonster ( $835 )
Seat 10: accentprpl5 ( $1098 )
Trny:17095588 Level:4
Blinds(50/100)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to yeedogger [ Kh Kc ]
ILIKESCOTCH2 folds.
valorous is all-In.
accentprpl5 folds.
Deceptikon is all-In.
OreoMonster is all-In.
grizabe folds.
empireny folds.
yeedogger is all-In.
** Dealing Flop ** [ 2s, 4d, 3d ]
** Dealing Turn ** [ 5d ]
** Dealing River ** [ 3s ]
yeedogger shows [ Kh, Kc ] two pairs, kings and threes.
valorous shows [ Td, Tc ] two pairs, tens and threes.
Deceptikon shows [ Kd, Ac ] a straight, ace to five.
OreoMonster shows [ Jd, Jh ] two pairs, jacks and threes.
valorous wins 125 chips from side pot #3 with two pairs, tens and threes.
yeedogger wins 570 chips from side pot #2 with two pairs, kings and threes.
Deceptikon wins 405 chips from side pot #1 with a straight, ace to five.
Deceptikon wins 3390 chips from the main pot with a straight, ace to five.

Re: KK preflop question
 

I don't play $55, at least not yet, but what the Heell, why not?

Re: KK preflop question
 

Never fold KK preflop, is the motto I think we should use. You see AKo, AKs, QQ, JJ, 10 10, way too often to make it +EV to always play KK until the flop.

Re: KK preflop question
 

I was saying push it-sorry if that wasn't clear.

Re: KK preflop question
 

The stacks are just too shallow to fold KK in an SNG. I have never done it.

Re: KK preflop question
 

Unless you're 100% sure you're beat by rockets, push them

Re: KK preflop question
 

If someone has AA, there's a 90% chance you're out of the tournament. Assuming the hands actually played, there's a better than 50/50 shot you're out. True you might quadruple up, but do you think it is worth the risk?

Re: KK preflop question
 

This is never the case, unless you have EXTENSIVE hh's on villian, and this is the ONLY hand villian EVER plays this way.

Re: KK preflop question
 

You have way better odds than 25% here, since it's to quadruple up, I think calling is +EV (by a lot).

Re: KK preflop question
 

I would never lay down against one all in in tourn but three way and the way hand played out I thought mucking was correct.

Re: KK preflop question
 

Think 3 handed, muckin QQ may be borderline, but w/ KK I still think you're a big enough favorite most of the time to make this all-in pf pretty clear.

Re: KK preflop question
 

i dont see how. wouldnt AK and QQ be possible holdings, respectively? or two AKs otr enough other hands that you cannot fold. plus given the stack sizes it is even less likely; it is not like you all have 500BBs.

Pat