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Chris Daddy Cool 08-05-2005 09:02 AM

2 hands
 
i haven't played poker in nearly a month so i'm feeling like i'm really rusty. my reads have been way off today in terms of calling down and trying to make plays and i'm going to quit soon.

5 handed 80/160 game on ub.

a relatively uninteresting player opens utg. i'm next up and 3-bet AcKh. blinds get out of the way. utg calls.

flop: T [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]3 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] A [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]

He checks. I bet. He raises. I call.

turn: 6 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]

he bets. i raise. he calls.

river: 8 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]

he checks. i bet. he checkraises. i folded.


hand 2:

5 handed. same game.

an overaggro player opens utg. this means his cards are either paired, suited, or add up to at least 18. co (utg from hand 1) 3-bets. i cap on the button with A [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]Q [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]. blinds fold. utg and co call. 3 to the flop for 13.5 small bets.

flop: K [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]J [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]5 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]

check. check. check. 3 to the turn for 6.75 big bets.

turn: 3 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]

utg bets. co calls. i call.

river: Q [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]

utg bets. co calls. i call.

barry.egan 08-05-2005 09:17 AM

Re: 2 hands
 
Just for hand 1:
Does "a relatively uninteresting player" mean incapable of making this move with a pocket pair or (but especially) with two cards with nothing on them? Without the spade I think I don't mind a fold, but with the flush hitting you have to check behind if intending to fold to this check raise. But maybe this play garnered all kinds of people taking shots at you, butI doubt they made up for(read IF) folding the best hand here.

All this of course bars me knowing about any reads you may have had...

stigmata 08-05-2005 09:47 AM

Re: 2 hands
 
Not played in a month. Feeling rusty. UB 80/160.

I'm sure you know your own depth better than me, but whats wrong with easing yourself back into it with some microlimits, like 30/60 or something?

As for the hands (Disclaimer: "I dont play that high but..."), fold in hand 1 is read/context dependent, and hand 2 looks good to me.

flawless_victory 08-05-2005 09:54 AM

Re: 2 hands
 
everything looks good on all streets in both hands. well played...

jayheaps 08-05-2005 11:48 AM

Re: 2 hands
 
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everything looks good on all streets in both hands. well played...

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hand 2 look good. I think calling the river bet on hand 1 is totally read dependant. There are some players who I would call this against and some who I wouldn't.

ALL1N 08-05-2005 12:04 PM

Re: 2 hands
 
Am I the only one who dislike the flop check in hand 2? There is surely a decent chance of getting small pocket pairs to fold by continuing firing here, but checking this flop essentially gives it up.

SmileyEH 08-05-2005 12:16 PM

Re: 2 hands
 
I'm not good enough to comment on either of these hands, but I'm just curious as to why you checked the flop in the second hand?

-SmileyEH

Dave Mac 08-05-2005 12:21 PM

Re: 2 hands
 
hand 1 i think i don't fold the river against most ub 80 players.
dave

W. Deranged 08-05-2005 12:22 PM

Re: 2 hands
 
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I'm not good enough to comment on either of these hands, but I'm just curious as to why you checked the flop in the second hand?

-SmileyEH

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I'm interested in this as well.

PokerBob 08-05-2005 12:25 PM

Re: 2 hands
 
I think you have to pay off in hand 1. You like to make big river folds....does this guy know that?

Hand 2 is weird IMO. CO's turn call makes me think he has a big one and want ed you to come along, but his river call doesn't. I think you are calling for half the pot here. Ugh. Bad spot. I dunno what to do.

PokerBob 08-05-2005 12:27 PM

Re: 2 hands
 
he is ahead here almost never and a better hand isn't folding.

damaniac 08-05-2005 12:53 PM

Re: 2 hands
 
Plus he gets check-raised a lot. Nice free card.

geormiet 08-05-2005 01:15 PM

Re: 2 hands
 
I like both hands a lot.

I think it would be interesting if you were checked to on the turn in hand 2. I think I would check behind once again - what would you do?

ggbman 08-05-2005 01:21 PM

Re: 2 hands
 
I think a continuation bet is in order in hand two. You cold capped preflop, and are getting almost 7-1 on a bet if they bost fold. Additionally, someone might check call and then check the turn giving you the oppurtunity to fure again or see a free river. I think your flop check looks so much like TT or AQ that a lot of the time marginal hands bet the turn, which you do not want.

Additionally, someone made a comment about better hands not folding. But given Chris's descrition, UTG could have opened UTG with any pair and then been isolated against by someone with 66-TT, Given that this probably accounts for more then 1/7th of the possible scenarios, and you want to keep the lead in the hand, i think that a flop bet is in order here.


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