Friend Destroying $11s, should he move up?
 

Right now my friend is beating the Party $10+1s for 41% ROI with an ITM of about 52%. He 4-tables as well. His bankroll is a little over $8,000. Would you recommend that he move up? What level should he be playing?

Thanks in advance.

Re: Friend Destroying $11s, should he move up?
 

This is so obviously a joke, but I REALLY don't want it to be.

If this isn't a joke, you made my WEEK.

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He should play the Step 5s and turn his 8k into 80k!

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He should play the Step 5s and turn his 8k into 80k!

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I disagree, I think he should step down and play the 6s. I wouldn't want to play with anything less than a 1200 buy-in bankroll.

He should definitely quit his job, though.

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He should play the 50's for a while if you are serious, then move up to the 100's.

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I four table $50s with a bankroll 1/4 that size.

Yeah, move up. The hells he worried about? Going broke?

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Sadly, this is not a joke. My friend is a very talented poker player, but is probably the most risk averse inidividual on the planet. I made this post in the hopes that he would realize how ridiculous he is.

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...but is probably the most risk averse inidividual on the planet.

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He shouldn't be playing poker, then.

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is a 52% ITM really possible at the $11s?

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Sadly, this is not a joke. My friend is a very talented poker player, but is probably the most risk averse inidividual on the planet. I made this post in the hopes that he would realize how ridiculous he is.

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He can't be good AND be risk averse.

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is a 52% ITM really possible at the $11s?

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I've averaged a 67% ROI at the 11s... over 150 tournaments

Anything is possible if the sample size is small enough.

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His sample size is 16, right?

...actually, what *is* his sample size? If he can hit 52%, it gives more ammo to my 'I can train a monkey to beat this game' theory

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is a 52% ITM really possible at the $11s?

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I guess. He's a real good player and the talent gap is enormous, so I guess it is possible. I still can't believe he's playing $11s, it's ridiculous.

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Sadly, this is not a joke. My friend is a very talented poker player, but is probably the most risk averse inidividual on the planet. I made this post in the hopes that he would realize how ridiculous he is.

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He can't be good AND be risk averse.

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exactly what I was going to say

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He can't be good AND be risk averse.

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Of course he can. If he has such a ROI it is obvious he isn't risk averse when it comes to the chips he plays with. He just is risk averse with his BR.

And I bet he feels good almost every night, since he made a profit that day.

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Over my first 206 11s my stats are:
ROI: 45%
ITM: 47%

I've been playing SNGs for about 2 weeks. There's a sick amount of luck involved in poker.

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Just tell him to at least test out the $20+2's. He's probably afraid that he'd lose there, and it sucks to go on a bad streak when you're starting to play double your buy-in. Once he tries them out, he'll probably realize that they're only very marginally harder and he'll realize how much more money he could be making.

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if he 4 tables he should mix in some higher limits but if he has a 8k br he didnt build it playing 10's

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if he 4 tables he should mix in some higher limits but if he has a 8k br he didnt build it playing 10's

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I'm not sure this thread is serious, but for the sake of argument, let's assume it is.

This guy has a 40%+ROI, so 8k BR/($4/tourney) = 2k tourneys. He 4-tables, so that's 500 sets. Each set takes less than an hour, so that's less than 500 hr. 20 hr/week means half a year of calendar time. Why not?

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He can't be good AND be risk averse.

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Of course he can. If he has such a ROI it is obvious he isn't risk averse when it comes to the chips he plays with. He just is risk averse with his BR.

And I bet he feels good almost every night, since he made a profit that day.

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I agree with Freudian. I am the same way, just not as extreme. I have built a five-figure BR from playing and still play the 20's & 30's. I'm ready to make the leap to higher limits, though.

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He shouldn't be playing poker, then.

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Stupid reply and sadly so typical for the whole 2+2 forum.

I'm also a pretty risk averse player and I've made more than 5 figures on 10's and 20's so far this year.
I 12-table and play an average of 60 sngs a day (11s and 22s). With rakeback I make an average of 5$/sng.

Each month thats $5000+ with pretty low variance which in Sweden is more than the figures a doctor makes, and I can pick my own hours etc better. Sure, it's very possible that if I had an more aggressive (or normal for that matter) bankroll strategy that I might be making $15k+ a month by now but it's also possible I would make way less than 5000$ if I constantly had to move up and down because of variance and the fact that I'm maybe not a winning multitabling player in the 100s and 200s during the hours I play the most (3am - 7am, 2pm - 4pm EST)

So tell me again, why should'nt I play poker?

Re: Friend Destroying $11s, should he move up?
 

Please tell us his sample size. I had a 40% ROI over 200 tournaments, then it dropped to a more reasonable level over the next 500. But saying he has a 8000$ bankroll makes me kinda scared if he has made this only playing the 10+1 tours..

Re: Friend Destroying $11s, should he move up?
 

Yeah I have an $8000 roll and am still in the 20s, and 10s during the day.

I hate having losing days of $400+ in a day still which means I wouldn't like the swings in the 50s+ right now.

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I four table $50s with a bankroll 1/4 that size.

Yeah, move up. The hells he worried about? Going broke?

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I hate these stupid threads.
Move up when you have the bankroll and you know you're killing the current level. I don't care what your stats are, you just *know* when you're better than 95% of your opponents.

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To hear it from the table chat at the 11's, half the people there think they're better than 95% of their opponents.

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I don't blame him for not moving up. However, I think he should. What makes this game so great is the personalities.

Tell your friend to give it a try and move up to the 22's for about 200-300 sng's. Don't go in saying to yourself you are only going to play about 50 or so. Variance could give you the wrong impression of the new limit.

Remember if he is winning at a 40% ROI at the 11's, than he only has to do 20% at the 22's to make the same $$$. And if he moves to the 33's than he only has to make 13.33%!

Later
spngbbch

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Yeah, he should move up and let me win a few more. [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

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I don't think 50% TM is unreasonable for $11 tables. Hell, when I don't make blunders *I* get about 50% ITM at them. And I'm pretty mediocre. I've only been playing for about a month.

I would say I make it into the money about 1/3 of the time and of the times I don't half the time it's because an outrageous blunder.

I'm playing on pokerroom actually because I don't have Windows. But from what I read the Party tables are even softer (if that's even possible).