AK on button novice question
 

sb-only 11 hands 45/15
co-83/16/1.33


My first hand post, hope the format is ok.
unsure about last two streets. I feel I played too passively. Maybe bet turn, c/f river. Enlighten me.

Party Poker 1/2 Hold'em (6 max, 5 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx

Preflop: Hero is MP with Ks, Ah.
UTG calls, hero raises, 1 fold, SB calls, 1 fold, UTG calls.

Flop: (7 SB) Js, Qh, 2s (3 players)
SB checks, UTG checks, hero bets, SB calls, UTG calls.

Turn: (5 BB) 5s (3 players)
SB checks, UTG checks, hero checks.

River: (5 BB) 3d (3 players)
SB checks, UTG checks, hero checks.

Final Pot: 5 BB
thx

Re: AK on button novice question
 

you can probably throw another bet in on the turn. a lot of villains will be folding on the big $ street. check the river UI

Re: AK on button novice question
 

I think you played this hand ok. If you hadnt improved on the turn i would have bet turn/checked river. However, you now have two overcards (which may not be good due to the straight draw) and the 2nd nut flush draw.

If you check the turn and fold the river UI i think there is very little chance of you folding the best hand.

Re: AK on button novice question
 

I would play it the same. The turn falls into the "checking behind with outs" category. If it were HU i'd probably bet but with 2 players calling the flop I don't think my chances of taking the hand down immediately are that good. Our best bet of winning the hand is taking the free card and improving, imo.

Re: AK on button novice question
 

I would definetely bet the turn here, you`re in position with two overcards and a ten will make a straight.

I would bet the turn, because of two reasons:
1. A but here could make people fold.
2. If someone raised you after the bet, you can be quite sure he has the flush.

So bet the turn, if you get raised fold. If someone calls, check/fold the river when not improved. If you hit a T,K or A i would c/c

Re: AK on button novice question
 

"So bet the turn, if you get raised fold."

booooooo our hand is way too strong to fold the turn


"T,K or A i would c/c "

why people keep saying "c/c" or "c/f" when we're in position is beyond me. Not betting an A or K after the river checks to you is missing a lot of value, and not betting the nut straight is, uhhhh, bad.



OP: next time you use the converter, set the format to 2+2, that way we see the pretty pictures.

Re: AK on button novice question
 

Fine, you can bet turn but thats up to you - Vs tighter opponents give it a go.

Vs loose guys or calling stations dont bother.

HU Vs all but super calling stations its worth a try(You'll often win ace high or hit outs when you go for a free sd or value bet river).

Re: AK on button novice question
 

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So bet the turn, if you get raised fold

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can't fold, which is a big reason why we don't bet

Re: AK on button novice question
 

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So bet the turn, if you get raised fold

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can't fold, which is a big reason why we don't bet

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I have noticed a lot of villains folding this kind of board after we bet last to act. this is 6/m

Re: AK on button novice question
 

there are two players with us on the turn.

and yeah, i knew this was 6-max. [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]

Re: AK on button novice question
 

Thanks for the comments they're very much appreciated.

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there are two players with us on the turn.

and yeah, i knew this was 6-max. [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]

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for some reason I thought we were in the micro forum...I'm the confused one!

Re: AK on button novice question
 

Hmmm....seems to be conflicting opinions dependant upon the type of opponents. Are we saying this:

Against Loose opponents we get to a showdown as cheaply as possible.

Against tight opponents we bet the turn to try and scare them off. If they are still around on the River we check. And what would we do if the tight player bets into us on the River?

Re: AK on button novice question
 

I like.

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So bet the turn, if you get raised fold

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can't fold, which is a big reason why we don't bet

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I wish I could remember that more often. There are too many showdowns I haven't seen because I thought it was important to maintain the initiative.

Re: AK on button novice question
 

I usually bet this turn as I think that since you have added equity from picking up the draw, the chance of folding out a better hand or a hand that would improve to beat you on the river outweighs what you lose to the times you get c/red.

Re: AK on button novice question
 

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Hmmm....seems to be conflicting opinions dependant upon the type of opponents. Are we saying this:

Against Loose opponents we get to a showdown as cheaply as possible.

Against tight opponents we bet the turn to try and scare them off. If they are still around on the River we check. And what would we do if the tight player bets into us on the River?

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Basically, A loose guy is less likly to fold (Loose passive) and a loose aggressive may raise us which sucks.

A tight guy will raise and we can fold, A tight guy may fold though so its a better chance of him folding to my bet(Turn bets have more respect than flop bets) however this will soon change when everyone realises Flop/turn bets are standard bluff lines.

Its a bit like the whole "SLow play trips to turn" everyone caught on, So then they went for the "Fast play trips, they wont think you haev trips as they suspect the slow play" this will revert back in time... Amusing eh?


What do YOU think you'd do if a tight player bets into you on the river.
*PSSST* you hold Ace HIGH with king kicker.

Ok you fold, Unless hes a major bluffer and you have a solid read inwhich case the pot size would say if you call or fold most likly.(And the type of board). but i fold often.

Re: AK on button novice question
 

I sort of disagree. I'd think a better time not to bet is when we have something like AT on a KJxx turn in a 4BB pot say. If we bet and get raised we have to fold but we had at least gutshot outs. If we get raised on this hand, we are definetly seeing the river, we do however have to pay two bets when we could have paid none. The bigger factor IMO is the type of opponents we are up against (aggro? tricky or straightforward?) and how likely they are to have something good on the turn. Those high cards are reasonably likely to have hit them, so I think that makes this debateable. I think the bigger reason to check is that one of them usually has a pair they ain't folding, so we may as well get our free card when we're behind.