AA, 4th suits hits the river
 

Villain is 38.8/10/.84 w/100 hands. I know MP2 being OOP is pulling the standard Clarkmeister here...

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Preflop: Hero is Button with A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, MP1 calls, <font color="#CC3333">MP2 raises</font>, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero 3-bets</font>, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, MP1 folds, MP2 calls.

Flop: (8.50 SB) 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
MP2 checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, MP2 calls.

Turn: (5.25 BB) 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
MP2 checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, MP2 calls.

River: (7.25 BB) 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">MP2 bets</font>, Hero??? Do you make the call here? My read is he's betting any spade here with an AF of less than 1.

Re: AA, 4th suits hits the river
 

The pot's not huge but it's not tiny. I waffle but I think I have to lay it down.

Re: AA, 4th suits hits the river
 

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Villain is 38.8/10/.84 w/100 hands. I know MP2 being OOP is pulling the standard Clarkmeister here...

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Do you really think he has any clue what this is?

I say it's a clear fold.

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With those stats I would think villain could be bluffing 1 out of 8 times. I tupimm and call.

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Villain is 38.8/10/.84 w/100 hands.

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These are weird stats. Someone with stats like this is going to make some weird plays occasionally. This is definitely not a typical loose passive player. .84 AF isn't that passive for a 39 VPIP player. I'd call here confident I'll be good often enough for it to be worthwhile.

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How about raising to make him fold his J high spade flush.

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How about raising to make him fold his J high spade flush.

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I raise/fold the turn.

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How about raising to make him fold his J high spade flush.

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I raise/fold the turn.

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That might work better if Hero was the first to act and had Villian not already checked the turn.

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How about raising to make him fold his J high spade flush.

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IMO he folds a J-high flush &lt; 1% of the time here.

What\'s a Clarkmeister?
 

check call twice then lead the river on a scare card? Could someone define the terms that bear his name?

Re: AA, 4th suits hits the river
 

Ok wow, my fault... I was thinking this hand was on the turn when hero was facing his decision. How could I get it so wrong... Anyway, I fold this river.

Re: AA, 4th suits hits the river
 

meh, id probably fold. thismeans better than a pair---flush almost every time unless the player is goot then it cold be a clarkmeister. but moran doesnt know about such things.

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Raising here would be a total disaster.

For folding here to be correct he has to have the spade here 87% of the time. Given an AF of 0.85 I am leaning towards folding but I would appreciate if the statement ".84 AF isn't that passive for a 39 VPIP player" could be clarified.

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For folding here to be correct he has to have the spade here 87% of the time. Given an AF of 0.85 I am leaning towards folding but I would appreciate if the statement ".84 AF isn't that passive for a 39 VPIP player" could be clarified.

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AF is (Raise% + Bet%)/ Call %. AF trends downward as VPIP increases because (for instance) someone who plays 30% of their hands is more likely to flop a weak hand (be it top pair with a bad kicker or second or third pair) than someone who only plays 15% of their hands. So in general they'll be calling more even if they play well post-flop. Because they play more low cards, they play more suited cards, they play more gapped cards. So if two players have the same AF but significantly different VPIPs, that's a sign the looser player tends to play similar situations more aggressively than the tighter guy. Understand?

Re: AA, 4th suits hits the river
 

I call without even thinking about it. Bad players like to bluff. They watch it on the wpt. Players that like to bluff like to bluff scary cards.

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well said!