A set on 4-straight board
 

This river sucked and I'm really uncertain of how to proceed in such situations.

Villain is 64/26/1 after 35 hands.
I've been reading on here instead and haven't paid attention to him other than his stats.

Party 5/10, 6-max, 6players
I have 77 UTG and raise.
MP cold-calls.
Everyone else folds.

2 to the flop
752r

I bet, opponent raises, I 3-bet, opponent calls

Turn is an 8 completing the rainbow.

I bet, opponent calls.

River is a 6.


Check/call?? Bet/fold?? Bet/call a raise??


I know this stuff happens all the freaking time but I don't think I am approaching these types of situations correctly.

Re: A set on 4-straight board
 

Definitely bet this guy. I'm going to have a hard time folding to his raise after 35 hands, so I call.

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If he raises do you really think you should call here?

Ag-factor of 1 mean anything (yeah...it's only 35 hands)?

Seriously...is he going to raise with less than a straight??

Re: A set on 4-straight board
 

Easy easy easy bet.

And call the raise, he could raise the river with 67s or some dumb crap.

His flop raise makes it even less likely he backdoored the straight, more likely he has A7 or a PP etc. There really are very few hands you are scared of here.

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I've been reading on here instead and haven't paid attention to him other than his stats.


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This is absolutely the biggest problem with my game right now. And its such an easy fix too, at least it should be easy...

I dont see any otehr way to go than Bet/Call. Very few hands with a nine or 4 in them that he cold calls with and then raises that flop.

Re: A set on 4-straight board
 

Bet/call.

I expect you to see A7, A5, K7, Q7 most often, followed by 76 as a hand he can raise on the river as a non-bluff. 98 is about the only sane hand I can see him holding that now beats you, as well as an occasional 44 but from his PF stats I think it's possible he will 3bet with 44 (tough to say for sure though with it only 35 hands). Plus, I think he's aggro enough to often bluff raise the river, so I see no other option than bet/call.

Re: A set on 4-straight board
 

Calling river raise:

1) Opponent has shown trend to being reasonably aggressive
2) If he has any sense he will figure you don't have the straight
3) 2 pair is a distinct possibity on this board, and he could well raise with this
4) The pot is reasonably large (can't be bothered to count it)
5) You may not quite have odds to call, but who knows? When its a close decision, I would err towards calling because A)it's good for meta-game purposes, and B) I sleep better that way.

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Bet/call.

I expect you to see A7, A5, K7, Q7 most often, followed by 76 as a hand he can raise on the river as a non-bluff. 98 is about the only sane hand I can see him holding that now beats you, as well as an occasional 44 but from his PF stats I think it's possible he will 3bet with 44 (tough to say for sure though with it only 35 hands). Plus, I think he's aggro enough to often bluff raise the river, so I see no other option than bet/call.

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hahahahah you said you were going to bed and getting up to do hw in the morning, like an hour ago. n00b.

Re: A set on 4-straight board
 

You said it yourself, "you are the biggest n00b of a hw doer EVER." And I still will do it tomorrow morning, only class tomorrow is 2:30 I can easily get it done before then. Still on Vegas-poker-playing time clock, tough to get to sleep at night this early.

Re: A set on 4-straight board
 

thanks guys.

After reading through some of the ideas on 'inducing river-bluffs' in Weighing the Odds by King Yao (pretty good book imo) I was considering check/calling and hoping he would be more likely to bet at it with an inferior hand (that he otherwise might have folded vs. my river bet).

you will all be proud of me to know that I did indeed bet, he raises, I called.
And he showed the monster QTo.


I don't remember any part in the book about inducing a river bluff-raise though but I guess that's exactly what I did.


One lesson here that i needed to re-learn is that a lot of times that Ag-factor stat means diddly-squat (regardless of sample-size).


60/20 type-fish FREQUENTLY love to bluff-raise the river and it doesn't matter if they are ultra-passive (for a low ag-factor) in almost every other situation.

I know I can get VERY chip-spewish ALL the freaking time...so it helps to double-check on these and make sure I'm on the right track.
When I won the hand I felt more 'lucky' than 'smart'.


Frankly, I'm a little surprised that you all thought this was THAT obvious.
Thought there might have been a little play-room for differing opinions.

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I don't remember any part in the book about inducing a river bluff-raise though but I guess that's exactly what I did.


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I love inducing bluff raises. Its a very underrated play.

Re: A set on 4-straight board
 

a 1 agg factor isn't that "passive" for someone who plays 60% of hands. It means he's still making a lot of raises with hands that don't match up with the board that strongly, since if you're playing 60% of hands it's going to be quite often when your hand won't be hitting the board in a "strong," making you want to raise for value/protect your hand, type of way.

Re: A set on 4-straight board
 

I think at 5/10 you are better of just value-betting-to-death as a standard play.

However, inducing bluffs is probably something I need to think about doing more.

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I've been doing it more lately.

Experimenting with general meta-game type strategies and improving my heads-up play (at least I like to THINK I am improving my heads-up play).

I always used to be a pedal-to-the-medal chip-spewer to the nth degree.

Ultra high ag-factor.
Low win-rate, high variance, unintelligent and uncreative play.


mixing it up is now at the heart of my game just to get me to slow-down some of the time...which I am probably doing too much actually...but even that is an improvement over my previous methods.


Obviously it's also important to not get TOO carried away with fancy plays.
But I do believe there is plenty of room to mix it up (and mess with your opponents' heads a bit) even at 5/10 or even 3/6.

Re: A set on 4-straight board
 

I've neen having similar thoughts recently.

In particular, I have been trying to make more meta-game type plays against players sitting next to me. E.g. you get more value for these plays against players where you are in BSB situations, and need to have some control over your opponent.

Re: A set on 4-straight board
 

that's something I need to do more of too (doing this stuff to the players next to me).

But I've also done this to some guy across the table from me.
In 6-max it's common to just happen to have a lot of hands against some guy across the table from you (especially if he's 60/20'ish of course).

Lots of fun to put a move on the guy across the table from you after they start table-coaching and ranting-and-raving about how much you (or anyone else at the table for that matter) sucks.
When they are whining in the chat-box (or not even whining...but just took a couple of semi-beats...perhaps even showing the flopped 2-pair that someone cracked with their flush) there is a decent chance they are looking to put on some kind of play to take a pot with garbage.

(although I haven't investigated my success rate with this...it's more instinctual "that guy's semi-tilting. He's ready to try to steal a pot if I check to him').


but your way of focusing more on the players next to you might be best.


Seriously - I thought the 'inducing bluffs on the river' section in Weighing the Odds was pretty interesting stuff and recommend it.