Peyton after two quarters...
 

Peyton Manning 23-31 319 yards 5 TD 0 INT 146.4 Rating
Sacked-Yards Lost: P. Manning 0-0.

Wow.

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He's amazing.

He will remain the best player in the NFL until Eli takes the title.

and the Saints won, too!

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and the Saints won, too!

Who dat! [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

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that 'newlywed game' spoof with warner and ali is hilarious

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He will remain the best player in the NFL until Eli takes the title.

Pretty hard to do since he's not even the best QB.

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Exactly.

Add in the fact that he is the President of the I Come Up Small in Hugely Important Games club.

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Pretty hard to do since he's not even the best QB.

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Wrong. And it's not close.

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Add in the fact that he is the President of the I Come Up Small in Hugely Important Games club.

I liked it better when we were talking about how the Saints won today.

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Favre's stat line is virtually identical to Mannings at this moment.

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Really? How many Championships? What's his career record in OT (bet he can't beat 8-0)?

What's his career record do-or-die withing 2 minutes? Bet he can't come close to 12-1.

Fantasy football stats don't mean anything in the *real* NFL

Come back with that claim after the Colts win a big game.

And by the way, the best player in the NFL is Ray Lewis.

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How 'bout the Wyoming Cowboys tho? You over that one yet? [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img] [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img] [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]



[Just to clarify - this is re: JTrout's post]

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"And by the way, the best player in the NFL is Ray Lewis. "

Correct again!

You, sir, are on a roll today.

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Back to the Brady love fest I see Kurn.

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the best player in the NFL is Ray Lewis.


[/ QUOTE ] why is he the best?

The Dungy Factor
 

Good to see that Tony has done everything possible in the second half to see whether they could still lose this game. Don't let Peyton keep throwing or anything, just make sure you take 2 minutes off the clock every possession by going 3 and out on the ground.

Tony Dungy vs. Mike Sherman. What a battle of wits.

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the best player in the NFL is Ray Lewis.


[/ QUOTE ] why is he the best?

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He's the best defensive player in the history of the NFL, and he's in his prime.

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How 'bout the Wyoming Cowboys tho? You over that one yet?



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Thanks for bringing that up [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img] I've been trying to forget about it!
Ole Miss is proving every week this year just how damn valuable Eli was!

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He's the best defensive player in the history of the NFL, and he's in his prime.

[/ QUOTE ] Does that make him the best? Is defense that valuable in the NFL?

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He's the best defensive player in the history of the NFL, and he's in his prime.

[/ QUOTE ] Does that make him the best? Is defense that valuable in the NFL?

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It's won the last 4 Super Bowls. It's more important than offense. That gets proven time and time again. I mean, are you even serious?

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Does [being the best defensive player in NFL history and being in his prime] make him the best?

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Yes.

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Is defense that valuable in the NFL?

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Yes.

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I bet Baltimore would trade Lewis for Manning.
I know the Colts would not.

Manning is the best. Sorry if you can't believe it! [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

Re: Peyton after two quarters...jeff garcia..
 

[img]/images/graemlins/cool.gif[/img] jeff garcia actually achieved a qb rating of 0 yes zero last week...happens not very often..

so much for regression to the mean..

lol

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Favre's stat line is virtually identical to Mannings at this moment.

Yes. Favre is a great QB. And he had a GREAT day.
And still it wasn't enough to overcome the MVP of the league.

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I'd note that both Trent Dilfer and Ray Lewis have a Superbowl win to their credit. Manning can't even get out of the AFC and he's had tons of talent around him.

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And he had a GREAT day.
And still it wasn't enough to overcome the MVP of the league.

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You talking about that Week 1 loss to the Patriots again?

Talk to me when Manning has as many Superbowl titles as Trent Dilfer.

Re: Peyton after two quarters...trout??
 

[img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] trout..??

what would be the over/under of how many times the announcers mentioned brett farve in his next home game; and what would be the ov/un of how many times it is mentioned that farve has "battled back" from personal problems and alcohol/substance abuse??

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I haven't said who has the best team.
I haven't said who has had the best teams in the past.

I'm talking about the best player in the NFL, Peyton Manning! [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]

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Manning can't even get out of the AFC and he's had tons of talent around him.

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Because a good defensive team knocked his punk ass out of the playoffs.

Defense wins championships. Defense wins championships. Defense wins championships. How often does it need to be said?

Ray Lewis is one bad dude.

NT

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I haven't said who has the best team.
I haven't said who has had the best teams in the past.

I'm talking about the best player in the NFL, Peyton Manning!

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Based on what again?

One could easily argue he's had the best team in the NFL on two separate occasions yet blew both playoff games due SOLEY to his personal shittiness in big games. Man, he looked like the best player in the league vs. the Pats in January last year didn't he? Or was he the one turning the ball over at every opportunity? Ah, now I remember. Shades of Tennessee vs. Florida.

One certainly can't argue that along with the Rams, he has consistantly had the best weapons surrounding him, and he's still done nothing with it. He's by far the biggest underachiever and disappointment in the NFL today.

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That must be some mighty good dope you're smoking.

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you are grouchy today, I was just asking a question.

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His Oline has often been makeshift and his defense atrocious. I don't think it's all his fault.

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Ah, he just wasn't crithp. [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]

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He's the best defensive player in the history of the NFL, and he's in his prime.

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I don't know about that one. As far as linebackers I can think of a lot of great ones through the years. It would seem almost impossible to prove that anyone is the best linebacker of all time let alone best defensive player of all time.

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This was a function more of the Packers horrid secondary (a secondary with a lot of injuries in all fairness but not that good even when healthy) and a poor defensive scheme.

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I think you're referring to the Stats of Tom Brady, and if so, yer WAY wrong.

Brady's good, but Manning is First Ballot Hall of fame. Brady doesn't even have NEAR the stats/accolades of Kurt Warner, and the championship thing, while nice is WAY overrated.
Marino- Zero championships.
Favre- One championship
Tarkenton-Zero championships
Moon- Zero championships

Jeff Hostetler and Trent Dilfer BOTH have as many Chamionships of the preceding 4 QB's considered all time greats.

How Many "Big Games" did Elway win before Terrell came around? Was he not a "big game player" before then. I'd yake his 2 minute execution vs Brady or ANYONE, anytime.

Priest Holmes is the best player in the NFL, Followed closely by Ray lewis, btw.

Actually, scratch that, Lewis IS the best, But Priest is more valuable.

ANd the best fantasy QB by far is Daunte Culpepper.

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Tell ya what, Clark and Kurn. I like Brady ALOT, but since you seem to be heading up the Brady for Prez fan club round these parts, I have a proposition for you.

I'll bet you any amount you name and I can afford that Manning will be in the Hall of Fame as early or earlier in Eligibility as TOm Brady.

Ya, it's long term, but i like my guaranteed winners any way they come.

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Reigning, Co-MVP Peyton Manning;

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He's by far the biggest underachiever and disappointment in the NFL today.


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Wither thine credibility, Clarky?

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Listen, Salt, if you take Brady's OT record and do-or-die record, that's 4 wins per season attributable to Brady's ability to *get the job done*. None of that has anything to do with the Patriot's defense or the overall composition of the team.

Add to that the fact that in the two Super Bowl years, he had arguably the least talented running backs and wide receivers in his division and it's clear to people who understand football (like Bill Walsh) that the difference in NE being just another playoff caliber team and winning two championships is the quarterback.

Show me another QB in the NFL who, over a 3-year period, when faced with under 2 minutes remaining in a game and his team must score to avoid a loss, has been successful over 92% of the time.

I'm not saying Manning isn't talented, but all the passing yards in the world don't compare to that one stat. Manning isn't as clutch *with* Marvin Harrison as his go-to guy. Ley's trade Harrison for David Givens and see how Peyton's stats look.

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Did you watch the Giants-Ravens Super Bowl? Did you see Collins' Nancy-girl slide 2 yards short of a key first down because he saw Ray Lewis 7 yards in front of him?

Not only is he an intimidating hitter, he's never out of position (unlike the most over-rated player in the game, Junior Seau), *and* he's the best the best pass-defender of any linebacker who's ever played.