AQs OTB vs total nut
 

UTG is new to the table but has reasonable stats from mining 22/15

CO is a total nutjob 90/50/2 insanely aggressive with just about anything, 3bet pf range is the same as his default open-raise

preflop cap good?
should I be capping the turn here?

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Preflop: Hero is Button with Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
<font color="#CC3333">UTG raises</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">CO 3-bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero caps</font>, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, UTG calls, CO calls.

Flop: (13.40 SB) A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
UTG checks, <font color="#CC3333">CO bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, UTG folds, <font color="#CC3333">CO 3-bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero caps</font>, CO calls.

Turn: (10.70 BB) J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">CO bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, <font color="#CC3333">CO 3-bets</font>, Hero calls.

River: (16.70 BB) T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">CO bets</font>, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 18.70 BB

Re: AQs OTB vs total nut
 

I'm capping the turn without a second thought. The real question is how many do we go on the river. I'm thinking raise/cap, but I'd have to see him play to know for sure.

Re: AQs OTB vs total nut
 

I like the preflop and flop caps here. Your equity is huge preflop with CO in there. After it's just you and the CO the cap is great. On the turn I would cap again. After doing all that capping I would consider just calling but would probably not resist raising and capping. His postflop aggression is huge since he sees the flop over 90% of the time. You are probably good.

Re: AQs OTB vs total nut
 

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I'm capping the turn without a second thought. The real question is how many do we go on the river. I'm thinking raise/cap, but I'd have to see him play to know for sure.

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against a 90/50 guy? jam it to no end

Re: AQs OTB vs total nut
 

I think you can put in one more raise on the turn. Genuine maniacs are a goldmine and you have to be ruthless about wringing value out of them.

I told you that I'm crazy 'bout these cupcakes, cousin.

/mc

Re: AQs OTB vs total nut
 

Preflop and flop cap are fine. I'd cap the turn. On the river I think i would just call a donk bet or bet/call a c/r, is that too weak against a LAG like this?

Re: AQs OTB vs total nut
 

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Preflop and flop cap are fine. I'd cap the turn. On the river I think i would just call a donk bet or bet/call a c/r, is that too weak against a LAG like this?

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The most important part of taking advantage of people like this, is maximizing value. In limit, on this river, the best way to do that with this (relatively) innocent looking board, is to cap your hand.

FWIW, i've never been fortunate enough to sit with someone whose stats are that out of control. gg.

Re: AQs OTB vs total nut
 

If he's as wild as you say, I cap turn and river without hesitation and yell "SHIP IT!!!!"

Re: AQs OTB vs total nut
 

preflop is a no brainer

post flop, this one of those spots only really you can answer because only you know how big a nut he was. Some nuts this is a cap every street hand, others you slow down where you did.

The important thing here is to not play these situations by some number (well I stop at 3 bets on the turn, etc) and make sure you to evaluate the decision purely on how your opponent plays, and not let fear or the size of the pot, or even his suckiness blind you to what the best course of action is.

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preflop is a no brainer

post flop, this one of those spots only really you can answer because only you know how big a nut he was. Some nuts this is a cap every street hand, others you slow down where you did.

The important thing here is to not play these situations by some number (well I stop at 3 bets on the turn, etc) and make sure you to evaluate the decision purely on how your opponent plays, and not let fear or the size of the pot, or even his suckiness blind you to what the best course of action is.

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I think this is right on the money. Flop raise to isolate is pefect and then turn/river its read. Is this a nut that will bet/raise any pair or does he have to have 2 pair to 3 bet the turn and river? I think that I miss too many value bets against wild opponents because I think "no way anyone pushes this hand that way without 2 pair or better" only be shown middle pair weak kicker after I just called the river raise.

I'm capping the turn and raising/calling a 3 bet on the river unless I know enough about villain to know that can do this with anything.

FishNChips

Re: AQs OTB vs total nut
 

I agree with Alobar that this decision really just depends on how much you know/trust your read. The best information that everyone discussing the hand can use is the Villain's numbers (would you expect his AF to be converged?).

By those numbers, I think a turn cap is ok but, trying to cap the river is way too much. 90/2 is pretty damned aggressive, but it's not like he's 90/5 or anything; he can still find a call for every two bets.

We're about 50/50 that his ace is better than ours. So unless you're confident he can cap the flop, turn, and river with an 8 or pocket (and I wouldn't expect someone with those numbers to do this), the possiblity of other 2p and set hands makes a river raise pretty slim.

Re: AQs OTB vs total nut
 

Nice to see there are also 90/50/2 nuts at 5/10 and not just 1/2.

Tough to put him on any kind of reasonable range given his nuttiness, but still I slow down to the turn 3-bet and play it as you did. Though a nut, there's still a good chance he has a strong hand, including two pair, A-4 or A-8.

EDIT: I just read the other posts, and it looks like the consensus is to cap rather than call the turn 3-bet. I would agree if I previously had seen him 3-bet the turn with TPMK or less in the face of aggression and a scary board.

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preflop is a no brainer

post flop, this one of those spots only really you can answer because only you know how big a nut he was. Some nuts this is a cap every street hand, others you slow down where you did.

The important thing here is to not play these situations by some number (well I stop at 3 bets on the turn, etc) and make sure you to evaluate the decision purely on how your opponent plays, and not let fear or the size of the pot, or even his suckiness blind you to what the best course of action is.

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ok I agree with what you said here, the problem I have with these types of players is that they are horribly inconsistent, I saw him c/call the second nut flush HU, after the turn was capped, also saw him 3bet Jhigh on the river .. so he is both capable of slowing down with a monster, and going nuts with nothing

I prob should have mentioned that part in the original thread

this was one of those I'm going to keep raising you to make you fold type hands from him, he showed 65 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] and MHIG

Re: AQs OTB vs total nut
 

I would definitely cap the turn. If he still leads to us on the river after we cap the turn, however, I'm just peeling.

By the river, I have trouble believing many players would lead hands like KK and QQ. If this guy does, I'm playing the wrong limit.