Good Ol\' Stop-n-Go
 

Read on Button was that he was a Tighty. Best part about this was, right before he folded, he types:

"AQ no good, huh?"

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t150 (5 handed) converter

Hero (t880)
UTG (t2070)
MP (t490)
Button (t2225)
SB (t2335)

Preflop: Hero is BB with T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Button raises to t300</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, Hero calls t150.

Flop: (t675) K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero is all in for 580, Button folds.

Final Pot: t675

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I would muck this and see what the next few hands bring. He doesn't have to call that much, so he could call with any pair, despite being tight. I think you'll find a better spot the next few hands.

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I would muck this and see what the next few hands bring. He doesn't have to call that much, so he could call with any pair, despite being tight. I think you'll find a better spot the next few hands.

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If I let the SB and BB go through me, that leaves me with about 4BB. Not really enough FE to let this opportunity go, IMHO.

Re: Good Ol\' Stop-n-Go
 

congratulations?

citanul

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congratulations?

citanul

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You have a bad day?

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no.

why would you even think that?

citanul

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You sounded frustrated that I made a post without a cry for help included somewhere. I sensed attitude. Often people will have said attitude while having a bad day. Others, because they haven't gotten laid in a while. I pinned you as someone who doesn't have problems with the latter.

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well thanks for the sentiment.

i've actually been thinking of putting up a thread that says "please post one hand you think you played well each day here," mostly to see how many of them are other stop and goes or PVS plays.

and yes, you should know, every time i read a thread that doesn't say oh man bad beats x132095872409872 /endlife aaarrgh, i get sad. i'd much rather read another thread about a downswing than a thread about some random hand without much content... in turn i'd rather read such a thread than one with content as well...

citanul

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Fair enough. My apologies then. I thought the content and questions for discussion were implicit in the hand. I'll be sure to be more explicit with my content in the future.

PS --- You like hearing about break-even streaks? I'm experiencing a whopper of one as we speak.

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You were lucky this guy was a tight player. I can't imagine you getting away with this against a good player. Maybe if you told us the buy-in level...

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You were lucky this guy was a tight player. I can't imagine you getting away with this against a good player. Maybe if you told us the buy-in level...

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Good point. It was a 20+2. My feeling was that if I didn't make a move soon, I would be losing my FE shortly. What's more, the blinds were going up in 2 hands. Still too premature a move?

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So good players call missed flops with an AQ ?

Huh.

It's fine--a bit gutsy though. Sometimes it's okay to bluff in NL tourneys near the endgame. And hey--It worked. Blinds were large, you had to make a move. You've got good folding equity.

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So good players call missed flops with an AQ ?

Huh.

It's fine--a bit gutsy though. Sometimes it's okay to bluff in NL tourneys near the endgame. And hey--It worked. Blinds were large, you had to make a move. You've got good folding equity.

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I was in a similar situation against a seemingly good, tight player in a $50+5 yesterday. He raised pre-flop, I called with KTo from the BB, flop came 9 high and I pushed for a good amount of chips. He called me with AJ because he "knew" I was bluffing. Good thing I hit a King on the turn.
So yes, if they have a read that you're running a stop-n-go like this, then they might call. That's why I'd rather pull this move with a pocket pair.

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than a thread about some random hand without much content

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do you think that folding here is not an option? that's certainly what i would do.

i think there's plenty to talk about here.

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schwa,

yes, i think there's stuff to talk about here, but as OP pointed out, this wasn't phrased as a question. it comes off more as a "check out my ginormous cock" post than a "is this line good" post.

i've got no problem with OP, it's just that when i see a hand like this with no question, i don't even usually stop to read it.

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I was in a similar situation against a seemingly good, tight player in a $50+5 yesterday. He raised pre-flop, I called with KTo from the BB, flop came 9 high and I pushed for a good amount of chips. He called me with AJ because he "knew" I was bluffing. Good thing I hit a King on the turn.
So yes, if they have a read that you're running a stop-n-go like this, then they might call. That's why I'd rather pull this move with a pockt pair.

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It's worth nothing that you pulled your Stop-n-Go with two overs. This way it's more of a semi-bluff Stop-n-Go whereas mine was a pure bluff. I like your situation much better than mine. But I had decided before my PF call that I was pushing any flop.

Would you have still did the "Go" with the KTo if the an A flopped?

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it comes off more as a "check out my ginormous cock" post than a "is this line good" post.

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I felt it was inappropriate to post pictures with my original post.

Anyway, schwa, that's a good question. Basically, I felt that with the blinds going up soon and having only 4BB after folding this and the next hand, I would be losing a lot of my FE. This certainly was a gamble, and I didn't LOVE the flop (I put the raiser on two big cards). But I knew if he didn't hit the queen, he would fold.

Would you have folded here and pushed any two next hand if it was folded to you? That's not a bad plan either, but you have to hope it gets folded to you next hand.

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Would you have folded here and pushed any two next hand if it was folded to you? That's not a bad plan either, but you have to hope it gets folded to you next hand.

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yes, i think that is probably what i'd do, though your stack size is almost exactly ideal for what i look for in stop and goes.

citanul

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So good players call missed flops with an AQ ?

Huh.


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When the guy is a desperate shortstack, I would most likely call with less that AQ.

Huh.

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So good players call missed flops with an AQ ?


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Would a good player have minraised preflop with AQ?

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if he thought it would lead to more action than pushing, and he was willing ot take that action.

citanul

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if he thought it would lead to more action than pushing, and he was willing ot take that action.

citanul

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Exactly. If you're going to take that risk, knowing that most of the time you will miss the flop and knowing the shortstack will do everything to try and take the pot after calling the min-raise, makes this an easy call for me.

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if he thought it would lead to more action than pushing, and he was willing ot take that action.

citanul

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Exactly. If you're going to take that risk, knowing that most of the time you will miss the flop and knowing the shortstack will do everything to try and take the pot after calling the min-raise, makes this an easy call for me.

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