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12-15-2005 04:20 AM

Bellagio LIVE 10/20 NL AQ hand
 
I played this hand at the Bellagio and was wondering whether I made the right play.
I had only played about 20 hands so far and most of the players seemed pretty solid. Allen Cunningham was to my left and Bill Gazes was on the opposite corner, so it wasn't such an easy game. Anyways on to the hand...
I have a $4,000 stack and the game is 10/20 NL
I was in the BB with A [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] Q [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
UTG2 an old man who I haven't seen play many hands raises to 120(the standard raise so far as I have seen)
MP1 calls right behind him and he's been at the table, but I hadn't really payed attention to him.
Gazes calls as well as a late limper.
SB folds.
I called.
there is 610 in the pot right now.
The flop comes Q [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 6 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 2 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
I checked (comments?)
The old man bets out 600. with about the same stack as I have.
MP1 calls with about 2800 behind.
Gazes folds as does the late limper.
So it was onto me and my thought process was basically that the Old man probably had something like KK. I didn't think he could have had QQ since I had a Q and he probably didn't have 66 or 22 raising from early position in this full ring game. He could have had AA, but I had an A so I thought that was unlikely. He could have flopped a flush, but he would have had to raise KJc or KTc in early position, which I thought was possible but unlikely. He could definitely have had KQ with the King of clubs also. So that was my range. MP1 I thought could have had something like QK with the King of clubs or QJ with the Jack of clubs. I thought he would reraise a set or a flopped flush in that spot being that the pot was a decent size. I decided that a checkraise all in could get someone to fold maybe even a set, although that hand was unlikely. I don't know if KK with the King of clubs could call either being that I could have flopped a flush or have a set. AA probably can't call either with a checkraise of 3300 or so on top Even if I did get called I had outs to the nutflush and an over to KK. Also, I had not played a hand since I sat down so my table image was pretty tight. I decided to checkraise all in.
Comments?
I will provide the results later.
PS this is my first post in 2+2 so I'd appreciate your support haha

12-15-2005 04:30 AM

Re: Bellagio LIVE 10/20 NL AQ hand
 
so u reraise to $4000 in a 1800 pot. Did villian call w KcKx? or was it MP1 with a set of 6s?

AZK 12-15-2005 04:31 AM

Re: Bellagio 10/20 NL
 
can't really hope for much else, any club kills your action, KK has a tough time calling, so does AA. Sucks if someone flopped it or has a set. The only alternative would have been to fold preflop.

lapoker17 12-15-2005 04:32 AM

Re: Bellagio 10/20 NL
 
pretty standard. but because it's so standard, it may get you looked up a bit more than you might like.

just would also add that the caller in between could easily have a set. you seem to dismiss this.

12-15-2005 04:35 AM

Re: Bellagio LIVE 10/20 NL AQ hand
 
Ummm I thought that since my raise was so large, it would make it an even tougher call if they were drawing with a set. Old man river called my all in as did MP1 and I was so shocked. Old man had 22 and MP1 had Q6. BUT the turn and river were two red aces so I made the nut full. I?am still thinking about that hand. Was my logic correct? Is there something I was missing?

12-15-2005 04:37 AM

Re: Bellagio LIVE 10/20 NL AQ hand
 
I really thought a set would have raised here if MP1 had one?

AZK 12-15-2005 04:39 AM

Re: Bellagio LIVE 10/20 NL AQ hand
 
lol old man river shows you 222. gotta watch out for those senior citizens. They'll [censored] you up. good read.

lapoker17 12-15-2005 04:41 AM

Re: Bellagio LIVE 10/20 NL AQ hand
 
sets are often played slower on 3 flush flops like this one when money is deeper. guys either want to see a board pairing turn, or a non-club turn before committing.

lapoker17 12-15-2005 04:55 AM

Re: Bellagio LIVE 10/20 NL AQ hand
 
btw, this sounds like the best bellagio 10/20 table of all time. that game usually sucks.

jck8 12-15-2005 07:23 AM

Re: Bellagio LIVE 10/20 NL AQ hand
 
[ QUOTE ]
Allen Cunningham was to my left and Bill Gazes was on the opposite corner

[/ QUOTE ]


neither of these guys ever play in that game.

12-15-2005 09:09 AM

Re: Bellagio LIVE 10/20 NL AQ hand
 
I don't like it due to the large stack sizes involved. I think it's too risky because it there could easily be a flush out or a set.

I probably call though and see what develops on the turn.

Riverman 12-15-2005 11:11 AM

Re: Bellagio LIVE 10/20 NL AQ hand
 
Im not playing this hand but seeing as you saw a flop there is no alternative

turnipmonster 12-15-2005 12:27 PM

Re: Bellagio LIVE 10/20 NL AQ hand
 
I have played it 3 times and every time it was rocking. wtf?

cero_z 12-15-2005 02:38 PM

Re: Bellagio LIVE 10/20 NL AQ hand
 
[ QUOTE ]
I have played it 3 times and every time it was rocking. wtf?

[/ QUOTE ]

He's from LA, so compared to that, maybe it sucks. I will take it every day from now until Bellagio crumbles into dust.

hamstacker 12-15-2005 02:58 PM

Re: Bellagio LIVE 10/20 NL AQ hand
 
was the old man wearing a cowboy hat?

9cao 12-15-2005 03:09 PM

Re: Bellagio LIVE 10/20 NL AQ hand
 
I would fold preflop but your flop logic seems fine.

Roman 12-15-2005 03:15 PM

Re: Bellagio LIVE 10/20 NL AQ hand
 
I fold this pf, I dont like playing AQo OOP for 6x in a multiway pot even though you have 200BBs.

Once you make it to the flop, I like how you played it.

12-15-2005 03:47 PM

Re: Bellagio LIVE 10/20 NL AQ hand
 
Is leading the flop here terrible?

What if you lead out 600-800 on this flop? Is that crazy? I think your 5 opponents would have no clue what you are on, and thus would not push (If they have AA, KK, or maybe even a set) but only call hoping to improve, which helps you build the pot in case you do hit your non-board-pairing club.

Is this way out of line? Checking to 5 opponents in a fairly large (30BB pot)flop seems kind of dangerous. What happens if someone gets all their money in before it gets back to you and they have you covered? I wouldn't think you'd be able to call off all your chips with TPTK/NFD.

Of course I don't play nearly this high so take these comments with a grain of salt.

AZK 12-15-2005 04:45 PM

Re: Bellagio LIVE 10/20 NL AQ hand
 
were you at foxwoods?

12-15-2005 06:10 PM

Re: Bellagio LIVE 10/20 NL AQ hand
 
It was the weekend of WPT Mirage so there were a lot of pros. LOL why would I lie about this?

12-15-2005 06:14 PM

Re: Bellagio LIVE 10/20 NL AQ hand
 
Yeah he was...

12-15-2005 06:20 PM

Re: Bellagio LIVE 10/20 NL AQ hand
 
At the beginning he said he had only played about 20 hands or so then at the end he said he hadn't played a hand yet. Ummm?

InchoateHand 12-15-2005 06:21 PM

Re: Bellagio LIVE 10/20 NL AQ hand
 
"Also, I had not played a hand since I sat down so my table image was pretty tight."

Are you [censored] stupid? He's been at the table for 20 hands, he hasn't played one yet. Pretty easy to figure out.

flawless_victory 12-15-2005 09:02 PM

Re: Bellagio LIVE 10/20 NL AQ hand
 
flop play is standard, congrats on the suck out, idve played the same....
preflop, i wouldve most likely folded, and i hate folding... but not as much as i hate AQo OOP.


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