\"I get wet at the tought of donk betting\" ---Villian
 

villian is the "I get wet at the thought of donk betting" type. Ive seen him donk TP, middle pair, and some draws. He seems pretty passive other htan that, and havent seen him 3 bet a raise, or redonk the turn.

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Preflop: Hero is CO with J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, MP calls, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, MP calls.

Flop: (5.50 SB) 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">MP bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, MP calls.

Turn: (4.75 BB) 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
MP checks, Hero checks.

River: (4.75 BB) J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
MP checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>

Re: I cant think of an interesting title
 

I think this might be fine. If the turn wasn't an 8, I would bet again. I hate the 8 because so many of his straight draws now have you beat.

Re: I cant think of an interesting title
 

i like it.

Re: I cant think of an interesting title
 

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"I get wet at the thought of donk betting"

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This didn't qualify as an interesting title?
I'd play it the same.

Peter

Re: I cant think of an interesting title
 

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the "I get wet at the thought of donk betting" type

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There's your title.

Oh yeah, nh too.

Re: I cant think of an interesting title
 

For everyone who likes it (which everyone should), do you bet the turn if the 2 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] had come instead?

Re: I cant think of an interesting title
 

Looks great, was there a particular street that concerned you?

The river is scary with the flush and straight, but given you checked the turn I have a hard time believing he wouldn't come out firing on the river if he'd made a monster (since there's no clear check/raise opportunity).

Re: I cant think of an interesting title
 

i like the flop raise againt a passive player wholl give you the free card. if you dont pair/straight up on the turn take it. river is a good bet.

Re: I cant think of an interesting title
 

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"I get wet at the thought of donk betting"

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This didn't qualify as an interesting title?
I'd play it the same.

Peter

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thanks for the suggestion! tittle changed [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

Re: \"I get wet at the tought of donk betting\" ---Villian
 

I almost always just call on these flops now. But that's what I'd do with aces too.

-DeathDonkey

Re: \"I get wet at the tought of donk betting\" ---Villian
 

I take it you are folding any turn that doesnt help your hand?

Re: \"I get wet at the tought of donk betting\" ---Villian
 

Yes unless you change the read to "donks all draws" then I'd call again with the gutterball + overs and decide what to do on the river.

-DeathDonkey

Re: \"I get wet at the tought of donk betting\" ---Villian
 

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I almost always just call on these flops now. But that's what I'd do with aces too.

-DeathDonkey

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I feel this in a big way, and it's how I have thought for quite a while, but recently I've started to have a change of heart. Realistically I just don't know if the randos at 10/20 even notice that... I mean at 100/200 smooth-calling flop might be respected but here he's just gonna fire again at the turn whereas he's probably gonna slow down to a flop raise. I'm starting to think that unless you have a history, or the player seems to be adapting to you and is looking to bet-3bet flop, it's probably just best to manipulate him with your flop raise and buy free cards.

Re: \"I get wet at the tought of donk betting\" ---Villian
 

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I almost always just call on these flops now. But that's what I'd do with aces too.

-DeathDonkey

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I call these a lot, too. But the read "He seems pretty passive other than that, and havent seen him 3 bet a raise, or redonk the turn" makes me like a raise here.

Re: \"I get wet at the tought of donk betting\" ---Villian
 

His inability to redonk the turn is the key here.

If he's the kind to donk with a made hand of some kind, read your raise as being a freecard play, and bet the turn, then the flop raise is no good. But that's not the case here, so the flop raise and turn check are beauties.

I would check any turn that doesn't give me a hand. What about everyone else?

Guy.

Re: \"I get wet at the tought of donk betting\" ---Villian
 

humm, if hes betting good draws, middle pair, or top pair, hes way ahead of you here until the river, maybe your the one donking, anyways, i think your play is -ev, your getting over involved to draw to 9 possible tainted outs...your titles awsome though
also, this guys a fish, why not just wait until u have better bait to catch him instead of making iffy moves?

Re: \"I get wet at the tought of donk betting\" ---Villian
 

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Yes unless you change the read to "donks all draws" then I'd raise the turn and take a free showdown with my K-high unimproved. .

-DeathDonkey

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FYP.

Re: \"I get wet at the tought of donk betting\" ---Villian
 

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Yes unless you change the read to "donks all draws" then I'd raise the turn and take a free showdown with my K-high unimproved. .

-DeathDonkey

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FYP.

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Hot. I like it.

-DeathDonkey

Re: \"I get wet at the tought of donk betting\" ---Villian
 

even a turn Ace?

Re: \"I get wet at the tought of donk betting\" ---Villian
 

ace on turn means less likely they have ace high to beat your king high

Re: \"I get wet at the tought of donk betting\" ---Villian
 

hmmm Im usually either calling and raising some turns (A-Q turns for sure), or raising flop and taking some free cards while betting other turns.

Against some, call and fold turn UI. But I still not sure how much I like that line.

Re: \"I get wet at the tought of donk betting\" ---Villian
 

You're folding to a river c/r, right? Sorry if it's a stupid question but my river play needs help.

Re: \"I get wet at the tought of donk betting\" ---Villian
 

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You're folding to a river c/r, right?

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yup

Re: \"I get wet at the tought of donk betting\" ---Villian
 

there is nothing wrong with your line, but with decent outs and a decent size pot against only one opponent, i would stab another bet on the turn.