A2s vs. flop push - 10/20 NL shorthanded.
 

4-handed.
effective stacks 2k.

hero: A [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 2 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]

hero opens utg to 70.

solid player that is likely a winner in this game but seems to be weak lately calls on the button.

FLOP: 4 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]-7 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]-2 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (pot:170)

hero leads for 190.
button pauses, goes all in for 1800.

hero calls quickly.

thoughts?

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9sTs is a 55% favorite. A pair as hefty as 55 is an 80% favorite. Hands like 8s7s and As7s have hero just destroyed.

Not sure what you were hoping for, chuddo. This looks like a very tilty play.

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This seems like a math question. My wild ass guess at his range is the following:

Set -- 5%
Overpair -- 15%
Flush draw with overs -- 30%
Combo straight and flush draw -- 25%
Air -- 25%

Where does that leave you?

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My thoughts are WTF is wrong with you?

So he had a 53 spades and missed? Still a brutal call.

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thoughts?

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If he has something he has you close to a coin flip or destroyed.

If he has nothing you can accomplish your goal with a much smaller bet.

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obviously you put him on air... but my fear is how often youd lose to air here.

putting a guy on a 'range' given this massive overbet requires a bit of help from the gods. you hope he has AK? do you really want to get this much money in there against him if he has any two spades/overcards (QsJs, maybe)? and god forbid he has a pair, and youre in there with 5 outs. i think this call is crazy, unfortunately he probably has to take this down with his air...

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hero hates money

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Good thing I hit the river again!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!




























































i kid.

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kane, your pm box is full. clear it out.

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I've given this some more thought and decided that if you're doing stuff like this, you're playing out of your league. You've probably had a good run of cards and think you are a good player, but you obviously are not.

I think you should move down a few levels, read some books and watch less WPT.

Best of luck.

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This seems like a math question. My wild ass guess at his range is the following:

Set -- 5%
Overpair -- 15%
Flush draw with overs -- 30%
Combo straight and flush draw -- 25%
Air -- 25%

Where does that leave you?

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[censored]. Chuddo, who is that hot girl in your pic?

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kane, your pm box is full. clear it out.

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ok.

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I've given this some more thought and decided that if you're doing stuff like this, you're playing out of your league. You've probably had a good run of cards and think you are a good player, but you obviously are not.

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Good point, la. This is the type of play I see a lot from guys who have had a lot of success largely due to running great with the insane variance of a super-aggro style. This type of play works great when you always get there (or happen to get lucky and run into more than your fair share of air bluffs), but once they lose the horseshoe, this type of player quickly goes bust.

From what I've seen, chuddo is not in this category, but it sure does look like he was on some monkey tilt (hopefully not extended) for this hand.

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I've given this some more thought and decided that if you're doing stuff like this, you're playing out of your league. You've probably had a good run of cards and think you are a good player, but you obviously are not.

I think you should move down a few levels, read some books and watch less WPT.

Best of luck.

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What's with the random hostility?

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I've given this some more thought and decided that if you're doing stuff like this, you're playing out of your league. You've probably had a good run of cards and think you are a good player, but you obviously are not.

I think you should move down a few levels, read some books and watch less WPT.

Best of luck.

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What's with the random hostility?

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Hostility? I thought that was a very honest and helpful response.

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I CANT BELIEVE I AM BANKROLLING YOU

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PUKE.

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Very bad Chuddo.
Its in fact looks like like monkey tilt. One way to make a fortune in online NL is to push with any 2pair+ on 2 tone board hand vs donkeys who always think you are on a draw.
Try not to be one of them.

Best wishes

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Stay at the 1k, KKF is not bankrolling you for this game. And judging by this hand he is a smart man not to.

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Hostility? I thought that was a very honest and helpful response.

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I agree. Good bashing is very helpful sometimes.
This play in fact looks like noob's gambool.

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Thanks Punter - It was difficult to write, but I felt it needed to be said.

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Has anyone bothered to do the math? My guess is Villain would have to be on pure air at least 50% of the time to make this call correct, which seems unlikely, to say the least (especially since Chuddo is far from crushing two random cards).

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Has anyone bothered to do the math?

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I think he got what he deserved. I think we should let this thread die now...

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yeah.
maybe hero was tilting a bit....

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ok everyone has made fun of you enough, now give us the suprising results!

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Sneak preview:

Villain had absolutely nothing at all and Hero won! What a great call by Hero, he must be a grand player.

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My guess is Villain would have to be on pure air at least 50% of the time to make this call correct

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if he is on pure air then he will have a minimum of 6 outs (except for the times an Ace comes and Hero makes two pair). So he is going to need to be on air way more then 50%. For this call to be correct I think Hero needs the deck to be marked.

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how about if villain is chuddo.

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Sneak preview:

Villain had absolutely nothing at all and Hero won! What a great call by Hero, he must be a grand player.

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nope.

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how about if villain is chuddo.

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nope.

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I thought this post was about me with A2s, I made this call last night on identical board and was shown like 75s for top pair + flush draw....last night I was on a lot of tilt =/

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I thought this post was about me with A2s, I made this call last night on identical board and was shown like 75s for top pair + flush draw....last night I was on a lot of tilt =/

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Great call Chuddo, keep it up. I cant believe people respect you. I assume you are attempting to lose all respect after this post.

Also, you should let others know that you cant even bankroll yourself. Makes you seem like even more of a chump than you already are. Once again great call.

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Great call Chuddo, keep it up. I cant believe people respect you. I assume you are attempting to lose all respect after this post.

Also, you should let others know that you cant even bankroll yourself. Makes you seem like even more of a chump than you already are. Once again great call.

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Chuddo consistently gives good advice and the fact that he donked one hand in no way discredits his many good posts. Maybe you should hit double-digits in your post count before needlessly and vehemently attacking a respected poster.

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Why do people on here verbally abuse the posters? If you dont agree with something you can just say what is totally wrong with his line, I am sure calling him an idiot is not going to help.

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Great call Chuddo, keep it up. I cant believe people respect you. I assume you are attempting to lose all respect after this post.

Also, you should let others know that you cant even bankroll yourself. Makes you seem like even more of a chump than you already are. Once again great call.

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Now that's random hostility..

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I've given this some more thought and decided that if you're doing stuff like this, you're playing out of your league. You've probably had a good run of cards and think you are a good player, but you obviously are not.

I think you should move down a few levels, read some books and watch less WPT.

Best of luck.

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That's true- if Hero was on TV he probably would have won...lol

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VT - Nice research.

However I was commenting on normal posts where there are real decisions to be made. My comment was made under the assumption that the original post contained an interesting hand that warranted discussion.

This post is just juvenile and does not need to be discussed, therefore, I had to let him know.

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Great call Chuddo, keep it up. I cant believe people respect you. I assume you are attempting to lose all respect after this post.

Also, you should let others know that you cant even bankroll yourself. Makes you seem like even more of a chump than you already are. Once again great call.

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YEAH HE PLAYED ONE HAND POORLY SO HE MUST BE A TOTAL DONKEY!!!11!!1!1!!

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Alright thats enough, I apologize for saying that, fact remains it was a sh*t call even if you did win the hand. You obviously won this hand otherwise you wouldnt be posting it.

I suppose you put him on AK therefore you put him on a 3 outer? Still makes absolutely no sense to call this bet.

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i was not hero, nor villain in this hand. *gasp!*

villain showed 79ss for top pair flush draw and had hero buried.

results do not matter, but it came brick brick and villain won against the nut bottom pair.

i was datamining the 2k when i caught this one.

i always read through every individual hand in which the pot is over 2,500, and then make specific player notes on people if warranted.

this hand just kind of jumped out at me because it seemed either so terrible, or so tilt induced that i figured it was worth posting; if only to illustrate to either:

a) do not play this bad; or,
b) do not play when tilted