Ahhh, baseball. NYY vs Red Sox
 

Good vs bad, Darth Vader vs Luke, smart vs dumb. Yadda yadda yadda.

Interesting little tidbit from ESPN

Mussinas Salary:19.0 Million.
All Current Sox Starting Pitchers*: 18.595 Million

*Base Salary does not include bonuses
Matt Clement: 6.5 million
Tim Wakefield: 4.67 million
Bronson Arroyo: 1.85 Million
David Wells: 4.075 Million
Wade Miller: 1.5 million

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that's a great story

have fun telling it to your red sux buddies when we sweep you this weekend and you are looking up at the yanks in the standings

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that's a great story

have fun telling it to your red sux buddies when we sweep you this weekend and you are looking up at the yanks in the standings

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typical NYY fan comeback

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that's a great story

have fun telling it to your red sux buddies when we sweep you this weekend and you are looking up at the yanks in the standings

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typical NYY fan comeback

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typical BOS fan comeback

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Isn't the payroll angle entirely shot now? It's going to be a great series; I'm pretty pumped.

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F$$k the Yanks. Mets are going to get into gear in the second half, baby!!! Starting with a sweep of the Braves. Yeahhhhoooo,..... my god we suck.

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Isn't the payroll angle entirely shot now? It's going to be a great series; I'm pretty pumped.

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Im really looking forward to the Bellhorn and Wang matchup tomorrow. A pitcher who doesnt strike out or walk anyone vs a batter that strikes out and walks 50% of the time. Should be epic.

Sox will take 3/4 this series.

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Good vs bad, Darth Vader vs Luke, smart vs dumb. Yadda yadda yadda.

Interesting little tidbit from ESPN

Mussinas Salary:19.0 Million.
All Current Sox Starting Pitchers*: 18.595 Million

*Base Salary does not include bonuses
Matt Clement: 6.5 million
Tim Wakefield: 4.67 million
Bronson Arroyo: 1.85 Million
David Wells: 4.075 Million
Wade Miller: 1.5 million

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Anyone else notice they don't mention Schilling's salary just because he is in the bullpen?

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Good vs bad, Darth Vader vs Luke, smart vs dumb. Yadda yadda yadda.

Interesting little tidbit from ESPN

Mussinas Salary:19.0 Million.
All Current Sox Starting Pitchers*: 18.595 Million

*Base Salary does not include bonuses
Matt Clement: 6.5 million
Tim Wakefield: 4.67 million
Bronson Arroyo: 1.85 Million
David Wells: 4.075 Million
Wade Miller: 1.5 million

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Anyone else notice they don't mention Schilling's salary just because he is in the bullpen?

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Nice.

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when comparing two teams starting pichers its common practice, although perhaps not widely recognized as such, to exclude those players who aren't starting pitchers, such as a team's closer, from the comparison.

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Seattle plays Baltimore tonight.

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You and your gay little tidbits. [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]

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when comparing two teams starting pichers its common practice, although perhaps not widely recognized as such, to exclude those players who aren't starting pitchers, such as a team's closer, from the comparison.

[/ QUOTE ]fine, Boston now has a ridiculously expensive bullpen, compare those.

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nah, its more fun to needle yankees fans that it is to argue over which massive overspender got less return for their buck in various departments.

Wang going on DL
 

Shoulder inflammation. Tim Redding brought in.

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Im really looking forward to the Bellhorn and Wang matchup tomorrow. A pitcher who doesnt strike out or walk anyone vs a batter that strikes out and walks 50% of the time. Should be epic.

Sox will take 3/4 this series.

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WFAN Reports Wang to the 15 day DL...3/4 no question now.

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I don't normally watch much baseball but I am REALLY looking forward to this series. Sox take 3/4

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over which massive overspender got


i dont think its fair to group the sox in with the NYY in terms of money spent. the NYY are on a totally different level than even the sox. for example:

the NYY have a payroll 85 million more than the sox, whilst the sox can fit into the second tier (123-90) along with 5 other teams. the ramirez contract is what puts boston over 110m and that is the result of the previous regime.

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Shoulder inflammation. Tim Redding brought in.

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rumor is hes done for year.

http://members.aol.com/WakkoW5/titanic.jpg

sorry, the comparisons are inevitable. i think the sox represent the iceberg.

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when comparing two teams starting pichers its common practice, although perhaps not widely recognized as such, to exclude those players who aren't starting pitchers, such as a team's closer, from the comparison.

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Thanks CNNSI.com

Rivera, Mariano 10,500,000
Gordon, Tom 3,750,000
Rodriguez, Felix 3,150,000
Karsay, Steve 6,000,000
Quantrill, Paul 3,000,000
Stanton, Mike 4,000,000
Sturtze, Tanyon 850,000

Yankees: $31,250,000


Timlin, Mike 2,750,000
Myers, Mike 600,000
Halama, John 850,000
Foulke, Keith 7,500,000
Mantei, Matt 750,000
Embree, Alan 3,000,000
Schilling, Curt 14,500,000
Neal, Blaine 321,000

Red Sox: $30,271,000

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the sox spent 20% more than the next closet team. not quite the yankess but still up there.

but what's really nuts to me is that when you include the amount the yankess have to pay because of these salaries (i.e. the 30ish million dollar luxury tax tab they have to pay in the fall on top of their 208 payroll), they'll spend ~115 million more than the sox's 124 (they have 750K in luxury tax I think), ~150 million more than the orioles and ~200 million more than the blue jays

the yankess payroll + luxury tax is well over 3 times the orioles payroll is ~5 times what the blue jays spent.

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I am a Houston fan and I have to say anyone that makes fun of the pay rolls of the Yankees or Red Sox is just jealous. There isn't a fan out there that didn't wish their owner would fork over whatever it took to win.

In Houston the GM has to walk around kissing McClane's ass, "Please let me spend some money, Please, I want Adam Dunn please"

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I am a Houston fan and I have to say anyone that makes fun of the pay rolls of the Yankees or Red Sox is just jealous. There isn't a fan out there that didn't wish their owner would fork over whatever it took to win.

In Houston the GM has to walk around kissing McClane's ass, "Please let me spend some money, Please, I want Adam Dunn please"

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thats the point i try to diffuse often. while the sox DO spend more money than the rest of baseball, they CANT fork over whatever it takes. if they could, pedro would still be here. the amount the sox spent this year is more than likely the ceiling for them (not taking into account inflation, tickets going up etc) the reason the NYY payroll stopped at 208 is because they simply ran out of people to buy.

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You are probably right. I think the difference is Sox and Yanks will do everything they CAN do in their budget. Other owners don't do that.

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doing stuff like paying bernie 13 million, mussina 19 million and kevin brown 15+ million is not doing what "it takes to win," and it certainly doesn't rouse feelings of jealousy. Maybe for you its jealousy, for a lot of people its like watching a car crash as you drive by or having an appreciation for absudist art.

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Don't get me wrong I hate the Yankees. I hate all the American League. But I do wish my owner took a chance and over paid a guy every now and then.

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doing stuff like paying bernie 13 million, mussina 19 million and kevin brown 15+ million is not doing what "it takes to win," and it certainly doesn't rouse feelings of jealousy. Maybe for you its jealousy, for a lot of people its like watching a car crash as you drive by or having an appreciation for absudist art.

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its moronic is what it is. thats the part that bothers me when people lump the sox in with the yankees when talking payroll. the majority of the money the sox spend is well spent (and even the largest misapplication of funds, ramirez, was done by a previous group).

btw JR, you left Giambi out of your rant.

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btw JR, you left Giambi out of your rant.

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Millar OPS: 710

Giambi OPS: 890

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btw JR, you left Giambi out of your rant.

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Millar OPS: 710

Giambi OPS: 890

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And for another stat: Mussina ERA tonight: 108

No, he doesn't pwn.

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Crap, your turn [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

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Crap, your turn [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

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Idiot. Giambi does pwn.

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[censored] prick Arroyo.

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btw JR, you left Giambi out of your rant.

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Millar OPS: 710

Giambi OPS: 890

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he makes 20m+ a year you idiot.

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btw JR, you left Giambi out of your rant.

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Millar OPS: 710

Giambi OPS: 890

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he makes 20m+ a year you idiot.

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From ESPN.com:

Jason Giambi's 2005 salary: $13,428,57

Sublime McFatteh, you are wrong once again.

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btw JR, you left Giambi out of your rant.

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Millar OPS: 710

Giambi OPS: 890

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he makes 20m+ a year you idiot.

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From ESPN.com:

Jason Giambi's 2005 salary: $13,428,57

Sublime McFatteh, you are wrong once again.

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Coupled with the fact that he recieves 4.5m of his 17m signing bonus this year would bring it to 18m.

your a fcuking idiot. so its 18m this year insted of 20m. who cares? you made post showing how his OPS is 180 points higher than a guy who makes 1/6th of what he does.

do yourself a favor, and be quite. you make yourself look like a retard every time you open your yap.

back to ignoring you.

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Still taking those antidepressants I see. They make you really moody, don't they? It must be tough having to pay for sex and look at porn all day. I'm going to pray to Jesus tonight that he finds you a fat chick that likes you.

Oh yeah, and Moose rocks.

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I have a feeling Jesus isn't listening to you buddy.

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Hey kyro,

bring in your bullpen embarrassment. At least Stanton could get lefties out. Lefties hit Embree better than righties this year. 317. Lmao.

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oh btw-

ortiz .981 ops

just wanted to point that out, since hes the same 'type' player as giambi and makes less than 1/3 what he does.

the NYY front office is a joke.

you sir, should kill yourself before you can reproduce and further generations have to deal your kin.