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Who, in your opinion, had the most ability as a poker player, regardless of results, at the final table of this year's wsop?

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Matusow, not even close.

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black is close. Don't forget, he was at the final table when Stu Ungar won. But then again, i've never seen any of these guys play more than a handful of...hands.

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Matusow, not even close.

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black is close. Don't forget, he was at the final table when Stu Ungar won. But then again, i've never seen any of these guys play more than a handful of...hands.

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Black seemed like he was playing good but I can't give him too much credit after his atrocious table talk in the hand where he had a set against Kanter.

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Black comes in second after Matusow.

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Daniel Bergsdorf.

Oh, alright, Matusow.

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1. Matusow
2. Black
3. Barch
4. Hachem

The rest were nothing special at all.

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1. Matusow
2. Black
3. Barch
4. Hachem

The rest were nothing special at all.

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Those were the four best, and you order was the consensus. I heard discussions about Hachem being a strong player with a good shot at it before the final table started, and he may be stronger than people give him credit for.

Bergsdorf is apparently a pro, but there is nothing based on the TV clips or his reputation indicate he is a particularly strong tournament player.

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black is close. Don't forget, he was at the final table when Stu Ungar won. But then again, i've never seen any of these guys play more than a handful of...hands.

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Black seemed like he was playing good but I can't give him too much credit after his atrocious table talk in the hand where he had a set against Kanter.

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from the cardplayer broadcast, black played a really excellent the whole way.

however, i agree that his table talk in that hand was awful. just stfu and let kanter pay you off.

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Voted for Mike, but I wish I had voted for Kanter.

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Black
Matusow
Barch

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btw who voted for lazar [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]

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btw who voted for lazar

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He probably logged on and voted for himself.

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black is close. Don't forget, he was at the final table when Stu Ungar won. But then again, i've never seen any of these guys play more than a handful of...hands.

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Black seemed like he was playing good but I can't give him too much credit after his atrocious table talk in the hand where he had a set against Kanter.

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from the cardplayer broadcast, black played a really excellent the whole way.

however, i agree that his table talk in that hand was awful. just stfu and let kanter pay you off.

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From the information on the hands that you gleaned listening to the broadcast, or from Helmuth constantly saying he was the best player?

The K-J all-in play over Barch's raise (the day before the FT) was pretty questionable too, IMO.

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Matusow is clearly the best, and he might have won it if he hadn't lost the KK vs. AA hand. It's fortunate he didn't, since everyone at the 2/4 tables would try to act like him.

Hachem is the most underrated. I don't know why 3 people have voted for Dannenman.

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Matusow is clearly the best, and he might have won it if he hadn't lost the KK vs. AA hand. It's fortunate he didn't, since everyone at the 2/4 tables would try to act like him.

Hachem is the most underrated. I don't know why 3 people have voted for Dannenman.

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That board should show 100% Matusow, no doubt about that he was the most talented player on that table.

Imo after that is goes like this:

1. Matusow
2-3. Hachem and Black
4. Barch

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Matusow (easily)
Black
Barch
Hachem
Bergdorf (The guy no one noticed who was there)
Dannemon
Kondracki
Lazar
Kanter
I think this is pretter accurate. I really didn't see enough of Kondracki to judge his play, He didn't look bad, playing as the short-stack at the final table though.

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Matusow, not even close.

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Ya, matusow is famous.

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Kanter got votes. LMAO

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I admit Black's speechplay when he had the set against Kanter was a big mistake, but most people don't realise that his speech play had paid big big dividends earlier in the tournament. Do you remember the 'pass the sugar' hand against Joe Hachem, where Hachem doubles up through Black? Directly after that Black raised on the button with AJ, and Dannenman dwelled for a long time before calling from the bb. The flop came J83 or something similar (Jack high anyway), and Dannenman went to bet but then decided better and checked. Immediately Black went all in and Dannenman went in to the tank. He was about to fold when Black stood up, said 'I'm going for a cigarette, when I come back tell me if I'm still in the tournament', and after this Dannenman called. Great speech play. Black had put him on tens after the big dwell up, and somehow managed to make him call. It was like watching a snake charmer at work.

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Matusow, not even close.

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Ya, matusow is famous.

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There's a reason he's famous.

Check it out Christmas Eve.

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All I know is I was very dissapointed with heads up. Danneman is a nice enough guy, but anyone who giggles like a giddy school girl when playing 7.5 and kills any and all drama for the heads up does not deserve to finish that high.

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ESPN mentioned that Kanter had won an online tournament for 25k earlier. Does anybody have any info on that?

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Kanter got votes. LMAO

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Im only hoping it was done as a joke lol.

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Matusow then Black are the best for sure. Kanter is possibly the worst ever to cash (followed closely by Tiffany Williamson), let alone make the final table followed closely by Dannenman.

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ESPN mentioned that Kanter had won an online tournament for 25k earlier. Does anybody have any info on that?

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people are still grumpy because he booted their loverboy raymer. No one seems to remember the sucks out raymer had to get the WSOP title last year.

Kanter wasn't the best player at that table but i am geussing he is alot better than most of you guys think. Personally, i can't judge a poker player based on 4 or 5 hands that were selectively chosen by ESPN for entertainment purposes.

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Frankly, I don't see why you all think Matusow is "clearly" the best player. There is simply no excuse for the way he conducted his play after the KK hand. A player that manages to be the best in the world when on his A game but is only on his A game 10% of the time deserves no more respect than Kanter or Dannenman.

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kondracki how come the kid gets no love?

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kondracki how come the kid gets no love?

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because they showed less hands with him than I have fingers.

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haha goddamn hilarious man hilarious

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Matusow, then Black, then Barch, then Hachem.

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Matusow, not even close.

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people are just sheep and say matusow cause he is famous.

scott lazaar was by far the best player at the final table...

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Matusow, not even close.

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I thought Barch played the most solid game, so I voted for him. But after review, I think he played cards; Black and Matusow played poker. Black's KJo vs Barch's JJ may not have been his finest hour. Matusow played very reckless as if he had a plane to catch. They both played aggressively as opposed to Barch's safer style. I think there are points to be made for all of them.

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Matusow, not even close.

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Ya, matusow is famous.

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There's a reason he's famous.

Check it out Christmas Eve.

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Yeah, he's loud.

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I just finished watching a download of the entire WSOP and was going to start my own thread on this but apparently there's no need. KANTER IS THE WORST PLAYER TO EVER FINISH DAY ONE OF THE WSOP. That is all.

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What terrible results!!! I mean, i expect Matusow to be at the top, because i think he is the most talented, but so much? Black definetely deserves more as he is completely competent.
Mike

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Who, in your opinion, had the most ability as a poker player, regardless of results, at the final table of this year's wsop?

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and the mouth pwns.