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Shargaas 01-21-2005 12:26 AM

KK hand, is this the way to go post-flop?
 
PokerStars 0.05/0.10 Hold'em (10 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is MP3 with K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, UTG+1 calls, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, MP1 calls, MP2 calls, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, CO calls, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, BB calls, UTG+1 calls, MP1 calls, MP2 calls.

Flop: (12.40 SB) 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(6 players)</font>
BB checks, UTG+1 checks, <font color="#CC3333">MP1 bets</font>, MP2 calls, Hero calls, CO calls, BB calls, UTG+1 folds.

Turn: (8.70 BB) 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(5 players)</font>
BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">MP1 bets</font>, MP2 folds, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, CO folds, BB folds, MP1 calls.

River: (12.70 BB) 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">MP1 bets</font>, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 14.70 BB

Niediam 01-21-2005 12:34 AM

Re: KK hand, is this the way to go post-flop?
 
Please please please raise the flop! There is no reason to allow people with four outs (gutshot) or five outs (paired the board) to profitably call and catch a card in a big pot.

davelin 01-21-2005 12:43 AM

Re: KK hand, is this the way to go post-flop?
 
Not raising the flop here is pretty bad.

SoCalPat 01-21-2005 01:15 AM

Re: KK hand, is this the way to go post-flop?
 
This pot is pretty stinkin' huge when it's one bet to you on the flop. Raise already. Whatcha tryin' to do ... bust out the entire table on one hand?

Not a time to slowplay, pronounced even moreso by the fact that you don't hold the Kd.

GrunchCan 01-21-2005 01:18 AM

Re: KK hand, is this the way to go post-flop?
 
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Not raising the flop here is pretty bad.

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Shargaas 01-21-2005 01:41 AM

Am i misinterpreting SSH then?
 
There is a specific hand in SSH where the hand is KK, the pot is raised pf, the flop comes down and someone bets into you. The advice there is to wait for the turn to raise because flush draws, gut-shots and whatever will call even 2 cold and will be almost mathematically correct to do so. Ergo my question is am I misinterpreting that advice. If I am, it is now that I must fix this before I try any kind of a move up in limits.

Niediam 01-21-2005 01:45 AM

Re: Am i misinterpreting SSH then?
 
In that example the pot was so large that weak draws had odds to call the double bet because there was twenty bets already in the pot. The pot in your hand wasn't as big so by raising you are making it where its incorrect for those weak draws to call.

Shargaas 01-21-2005 01:47 AM

Re: Am i misinterpreting SSH then?
 
That makes sense. Thanks for clarifiying, I am going to have to pay more attention to pot sizes. And keep studying, I obviously have much to learn.

Shargaas 01-21-2005 01:49 AM

Results
 
When he/she bet into me on the river, I figured I was beat. When they showed 44, I knew I was beat...

Joe B. 01-21-2005 02:40 AM

Re: Am i misinterpreting SSH then?
 
what page is it on SSH?

Niediam 01-21-2005 02:49 AM

Re: Am i misinterpreting SSH then?
 
p. 163-5

chaz64 01-21-2005 12:17 PM

Re: Am i misinterpreting SSH then?
 
If it's the section I'm thinking of, in the example it was 3-bet or capped pre-flop, so you might check-call the flop and then pop them on the turn, since the pot is too big to protect your hand on the flop (and raising the flop might make the pot too big on the turn). Here, there was only one raise PF, so you are able to protect your hand with a flop raise.

jay1313 01-21-2005 12:30 PM

Re: Results
 
This is one of those funny hands where you played it wrong but your opponent played it worse! Classic example of how you make money off of your opponents mistakes You saved at least 2-3 BB on that hand [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

_bustedflush_ 01-21-2005 12:31 PM

Re: Results
 
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When he/she bet into me on the river, I figured I was beat. When they showed 44, I knew I was beat...

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Another reason to raise the flop. If you raise and villain 3 bets the flop and/or calls the flop but leads out turn despite your raise, you learn something. It is probably not because he only has one baby pair.


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