QQ line check - I\'m pretty sure I messed up somewhere!
 

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Preflop: Hero is SB with Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">5 folds</font>.
Action: UTG raises to 5, 3 callers, I make it 20.

Flop: 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(5 players)</font>
I lead out 25, one caller.

Turn: 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
Caller pushes - I call.

River: J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>


Is this standard? I don't usually play NL Ring.

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what limit, any reads ?

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100NL

Uh, the initial raiser, raised and stacked someone with a set of Js.

He was out of the hand by the turn.

The turn pusher has no real reads - I think he's been at the table for about 6 hands.
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Edit: And we both have about 100 in our stack.

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As far as "is this standard?", without a read on your opponent, I would say no. You typically don't want to play for your stack with TPTK, or an overpair. Two pair is marginal, and I would say most players are looking for a set on a relatively uncoordinated board to play for their stack.

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so the pot size on the flop is about $45? I pot it.
Edit: you're obviously pushing any turn for your last $35

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When a pot is reraised preflop, TPTK and overpairs become worth taking to felt, IMO. Any cbet commits you.

Assuming 100BB. Deep stacks, you actually have to play poker (go figure)

Edit: use your head; if you have AQ TPTK and villain called a 3bet pf but raises the flop, you can let it go (AA-KK and sets).

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So pot is ~$100 on flop and you lead for 25? Also what are stack sizes?I'm thinking a push is probably best. JMO

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I couldn't get the convertor to work and I didn't want to post the raw HH, but since there is some confusion, maybe I'll just post it:



THis is ugly:
Seat 4 is the button
Total number of players : 10
Seat 2: a( $145.65 )
Seat 10: b ( $203.25 )
Seat 7: hero ( $95.85 )
Seat 8: c ( $26.75 )
Seat 4: d ( $136.89 )
Seat 6: e ( $0 )
Seat 5: f ( $95 )
Seat 1: g ( $96 )
Seat 9: h ( $120.40 )
Seat 3: i ( $100 )
b posts small blind [$0.50].
hero posts big blind [$1].
i [$1].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to hero [ Qc Qd ]

c folds.
d folds.
e raises [$5].
f folds.
g folds.

i folds.
a calls [$5].
b calls [$4.50].
hero raises [$14].
c calls [$10].
d calls [$10].
e calls [$10].
** Dealing Flop ** [ 4h, Th, 7c ]
a checks.
heo bets [$25].
e folds.
f folds.
g calls [$25].
** Dealing Turn ** [ 2h ]
g is all-In [$55]
hero calls [$55].
** Dealing River ** [ Jc ]

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players c and d, after folding and then calling your raise, probably have small pocket pairs. player g folding preflop and then pushing the turn is troubling. But i think the real player to watch here is f, who folds preflop and on the flop, but then mysteriously has no turn or river action? that's one sneaky mother [censored]

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Haha - you took more care than I. That's why this hand was so confusing!

Oh well, it sounds like I should have folded to the turn push, and that's all I care about.

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You should be reraising a lot more then 2.5x preflop when its multiway, and you should definately be reraising. You want to play QQ HU not vs 5 players.

You need to bet more on the flop. 2/3rds is pretty good.

When he calls the flop and pushes the turn its VERY difficult to be ahead here. All you're really beating is someone donking with a 10 and maybe Ah10d or something like that, as well as bluffs.

You can feel relatively the same about KK and AA in this spot, I just dont think any one pair is good here too often. But if you got a instinctual read on it, call him or fold based on that.

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Excellent.

Addressed every issue I had with the hand. The preflop amount and the flop bet, and turn call.


Thanks. I guess if I reraised preflop more I'd just push the flop due to my being pot committed.

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players c and d, after folding and then calling your raise, probably have small pocket pairs. player g folding preflop and then pushing the turn is troubling. But i think the real player to watch here is f, who folds preflop and on the flop, but then mysteriously has no turn or river action? that's one sneaky mother [censored]

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What are you drinking, and can I get some?

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Don't you think he hit his flush on the turn which is why he pushed all in?

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Don't you think he hit his flush on the turn which is why he pushed all in?

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hopefully he is folding the flush draw if you pot the flop as I advocate. If not ... pot odds *shrug* Just cause a scare card hits doesn't mean you gotta fold.

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I check fold the flop as weak as it is

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players c and d, after folding and then calling your raise, probably have small pocket pairs. player g folding preflop and then pushing the turn is troubling. But i think the real player to watch here is f, who folds preflop and on the flop, but then mysteriously has no turn or river action? that's one sneaky mother [censored]

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LOL, stop posting until tomorrow [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]

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I check fold the flop as weak as it is

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In addition, with four other players seeing that flop, and a couple of them probably going in w/ small or medium pairs, there's a pretty decent chance of walking into a set and 10% pot equity.