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***** Hand History for Game 3043528430 *****
300/600 Tourney Texas Hold'em Game Table (NL) (Tournament 17454450) - Wed Nov 16 01:56:15 EST 2005
Table Table 67506 (Real Money) -- Seat 5 is the button
Total number of players : 3
Seat 2: Villain (1790)
Seat 3: Bigstack (3470)
Seat 5: derosnec (2740)
Villain posts small blind (150)
Bigstack posts big blind (300)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to derosnec [ 5h, 5s ]
derosnec raises (700) to 700
Villain raises (1640) to 1790
Villain is all-In.
Bigstack folds.
derosnec: i think i am favored
derosnec: AJ?
derosnec calls (1090)
Creating Main Pot with $3880 with Villain
** Dealing Flop ** : [ Jd, 7c, 9c ]
** Dealing Turn ** : [ 4h ]
** Dealing River ** : [ 4s ]
** Summary **
Main Pot: 3880 |
Board: [ Jd 7c 9c 4h 4s ]
Villain balance 3880, bet 1790, collected 3880, net +2090 [ Ah Js ] [ two pairs, jacks and fours -- Ah,Js,Jd,4h,4s ]
Bigstack balance 3170, lost 300 (folded)
derosnec balance 950, lost 1790 [ 5h 5s ] [ two pairs, fives and fours -- Jd,5h,5s,4h,4s ]

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Pretty obvious this is the only hand he would play this way.

P.S. I get the feeling you're leaving out the 22 times you've said this and been wrong [img]/images/graemlins/ooo.gif[/img]

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Since this is a read I am sure you are willing to take us through your thought process that eliminated every hand but AJ. Because it wouldn't be a guess that turned out to be right, right?

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Since this is a read I am sure you are willing to take us through your thought process that eliminated every hand but AJ. Because it wouldn't be a guess that turned out to be right, right?

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Easy. He breaks an Oreo in half every time he has AJ.

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Push.

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Push.

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I want his chips, not his blind.

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Push.

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I want his chips, not his blind.

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ew.

note for future: 55 is not a trapping hand.

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Push.

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I want his chips, not his blind.

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ew.

note for future: 55 is not a trapping hand.

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I'm favored against two face cards. Let them come to me.

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Push.

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I want his chips, not his blind.

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Your edge here with the PP is pretty negligible. You obviously want fold equity here as taking the blinds is MUCH better than a flip. (It's pretty +cEV and HUGELY +EV as it lowers variance.)

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There is no way you're beating whatever game you're playing.

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There is no way you're beating whatever game you're playing.

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ok

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Push.

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I want his chips, not his blind.

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ew.

note for future: 55 is not a trapping hand.

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I'm favored against two face cards. Let them come to me.

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let me be the first to recommend SNGPT. you've got some funny ideas shorthanded.

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Push.

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I want his chips, not his blind.

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Your edge here with the PP is pretty negligible. You obviously want fold equity here as taking the blinds is MUCH better than a flip. (It's pretty +cEV and HUGELY +EV as it lowers variance.)

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I don't think I made this clear enough. This is a very large leak in a cash game (If you don't understand why, you don't understand poker.), and a HUGE leak in sit and gos (If you don't understand why, you don't understand sit and gos).

I suggest that you review your hand histories because I can't imagine that this leak is isolated.

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Push.

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I want his chips, not his blind.

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Your edge here with the PP is pretty negligible. You obviously want fold equity here as taking the blinds is MUCH better than a flip. (It's pretty +cEV and HUGELY +EV as it lowers variance.)

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I don't think I made this clear enough. This is a very large leak in a cash game (If you don't understand why, you don't understand poker.), and a HUGE leak in sit and gos (If you don't understand why, you don't understand sit and gos).

I suggest that you review your hand histories because I can't imagine that this leak is isolated.

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You're right. I never push. I just limp into the money in 40% of my SNGs. That hand represents every play I make. Maybe one day I can understand poker, but I have little hope.

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Dude... why didn't you see the jack coming on the flop then? Huh? Smrt guy?

I also agree there's no way you're beating whatever game you're playing.

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Dude... why didn't you see the jack coming on the flop then? Huh? Smrt guy?

I also agree there's no way you're beating whatever game you're playing.

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Oh boy. I'm beating them, don't worry.

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Push.

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I want his chips, not his blind.

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ew.

note for future: 55 is not a trapping hand.

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I don't get when people do this with crap like 55, A2, and JT. They limp and insta call pushes like they've trapped you.

WTF is their thought process there?

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note for future: 55 is not a trapping hand.

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I don't get when people do this with crap like 55, A2, and JT. They limp and insta call pushes like they've trapped you.

WTF is their thought process there?

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I'm favored against two face cards. Let them come to me.

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Push.

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I want his chips, not his blind.

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ew.

note for future: 55 is not a trapping hand.

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I don't get when people do this with crap like 55, A2, and JT. They limp and insta call pushes like they've trapped you.

WTF is their thought process there?

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Their thought process is exactly "I am 'ahead,' at least a 51% favorite, so I will win this 100% of the time. Over my last 200 SNG's, I have only won these 70% of the time, so I'm behind my expectation, but still soundly beating these games. Screw you if you don't agree with me because everyone is stupid except for me."

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ug, OP played this hand like CRAP! (pronounce it like CROP!)

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You're right. I never push. I just limp into the money in 40% of my SNGs. That hand represents every play I make. Maybe one day I can understand poker, but I have little hope.

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Trying to help. I'm sorry if I offended you. You don't know how to play poker well and should stop until you understand how really really bad this play was.

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I'm favored against two face cards. Let them come to me.

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So you're slowplaying the 55? Sounds like a great plan...

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I'm favored against two face cards. Let them come to me.

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This makes me want to go buy a rabbit.

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You're a muppet. He'd have called even if you pushed, so the result would have been the same here anyway.

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Push.

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I want his chips, not his blind.

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ew.

note for future: 55 is not a trapping hand.

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The comments on this thread remind me why I no longer regularly read this forum. Several people insisted that the OP played so horribly he can't possibly be a winning player. In fact, his play on this hand was reasonable, just unfashionable on this forum, where people seem blind to anything but a simple pushbot strategy that can be implemented for a 10% ROI on 20 tables. There are many winning strategies, some of which have a higher ROI and some of which look very different from what is currently popular here. Many dangerous opponents follow different strategies, and it is worth understanding them.

There's more than one way to f[/i]uck a lightbulb.

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Seat 2: Villain (1790)
Seat 3: Bigstack (3470)
Seat 5: derosnec (2740)
Villain posts small blind (150)
Bigstack posts big blind (300)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to derosnec [ 5h, 5s ]
derosnec raises (700) to 700

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Raising to 700 instead of pushing is not inherently stupid with these stack sizes. It lets you fold if the SB pushes and the big stack calls or reraises. If you get called, you have the advantage of position, and you can get away from an unfavorable flop without losing your stack. If you don't believe me that making such a raise can be reasonable (whether or not I agree with it here; I think it's better to do this with other hands than low pairs), look up past posts by Lorinda and David Sklansky on similar situations.

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You're right. I never push. I just limp into the money in 40% of my SNGs. That hand represents every play I make. Maybe one day I can understand poker, but I have little hope.

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Trying to help. I'm sorry if I offended you. You don't know how to play poker well and should stop until you understand how really really bad this play was.

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Noah, I disagree. I think he should be playing LOTS!!

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Dude... why didn't you see the jack coming on the flop then? Huh? Smrt guy?

I also agree there's no way you're beating whatever game you're playing.

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Oh boy. I'm beating them, don't worry.

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Congratulations. You play donks that are worse at poker than you are!

But honestly, congrats if you're winning, but it IS a huge leak in your game. If you want to "trap", limp preflop, although I have a hard time figuring out how that would work. Push preflop.

If you're so confident that you're good enough to ignore CORRECT and PROPER advice that's good for your poker game (we're just trying to help you improve), come join me, tiger, and the others at the $55s and the $109s.

Edit: pzhon has a good point. However, I find that its way too hard to make these types of reads post flop. For example, if the flop comes J-8-2, 2 diamonds, and villain checks to you, what do you do?

This requires making tough reads and knowing your opponent. And frankly, I feel that the online nature of the game, as well as having played with the villain for all of 40 minutes, makes it harder to do. Moreover, it IS true that a lot of us multi table, so it just happens to be easier for us to push this way. But, pzhon does have very valid points.

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Flame wars baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaad.

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