Cheap players in LV
 

I have a friend that is a poker dealer who moved to Las Vegas for a little while to work at the Wynn...he returned to Seattle after working in Vegas for about 2 months. He says tokes are not as good in the bigger Vegas poker rooms. He told me he once pushed a $4000 pot and did not get toked anything....
He told me that the middle limit games are even tighter in this regards...
Just wondering why this is....? Higher Chip denominations? Trying to get the most out of the winnings...i.e. being stingy?
At the same time while playing 3/6 and 4/8 live I know that many low limit players toke way too much...3 and sometimes 4 dollars a pot...even for small pots.

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Lower limit players are more there for the experience or whatever (good time players). Some mid-high level players are playing for the rent check, tossing $1/pot can build up quickly over time.

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The first casino to figure out how to get more hands per hour, forbid tipping, and pay a reasonable wage to dealers --- is going to make a killing.

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Great, all we need is another thread where pro wanabees can cry about the customary expenses of the game. There's enough of those in the Internet forum right now.

I've heard a lot of top pros and dealers talk about how the better tippers are the best players and the completely recreational players. It's the ones in the middle - trying to make money playing poker but not good enough to REALLY make money - who skimp on tips and complain about rake or time charges.

This isn't always true, of course, but you can see from people's responses in a lot of recent threads that the mentality is rampant.

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The first casino to figure out how to forbid tipping, and pay a reasonable wage to dealers --- is going to be filled with NITS and Assholes who will constantly complain about how all the dealers suck and Holdem isn't real poker.

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The first casino to figure out how to forbid tipping, and pay a reasonable wage to dealers --- is going to be filled with NITS and Assholes who will constantly complain about how all the dealers suck and Holdem isn't real poker.

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You didn't fix the post, you added a new commentary. I think you're wrong. Could you add your reasoning.

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The cheap players probably consist of two types:

People that play all the time and want to maximize winnings;
or newbies to the whole casino poker thing in general.

The first time I went to a B&M I had a loud, funny mid-age lady. I was not aware of tipping the dealer. The first time I won a pot she said something like "My wages don't pay my rent girrrrl" and I thought to myself "Then get a better job."

By my second hand I caught on though. LOL. I felt really dumb that day.

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The cheap players probably consist of two types:

People that play all the time and want to maximize winnings;
or newbies to the whole casino poker thing in general.

The first time I went to a B&M I had a loud, funny mid-age lady. I was not aware of tipping the dealer. The first time I won a pot she said something like "My wages don't pay my rent girrrrl" and I thought to myself "Then get a better job."

By my second hand I caught on though. LOL. I felt really dumb that day.

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Wow. If a dealer said something like that to me I would stop tipping them for the rest of the down.

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You didn't fix the post, you added a new commentary.

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Welcome to the world of post-fixing, man.

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I'n not sure how to start this, because I don't want to be offensive, but somehow I think that dealer tipping is a somewhat strange practice. I mean, I tip a server at a restaurant based on the quality of service, if he or she is considerate, checks in to make sure I have what I need, etc. There's no exact right way to be a server, some general guidelines, but nothing definative. For a dealer, it's following an exact set of rules. Don't flip the next card till the actions complete, ensure all bets are placed properly, etc. As a dealer, it seems to me anyway, that there aren't a ton of judgment calls. You follow the house rules, and you deal in a technically correct manner. I feel that $2 a pot (for what $50/hr) is being overpaid (I'm taking a stab at this hourly rate given $2/pot, 25 hands/hr, I could be way off). It's the same reason that I don't tip a bellhop $5/bag (I do tip them, I know they couldn't live if people didn't, and I'm not saying being a dealer is of the same difficulty level of being a bellhop). It's a job that requires no special abilities, to my knowledge doesn't seem that terribly difficult, and I don't feel deserves much more than $10-12 an hour. (You're talking to a guy who literally dug holes and lifted rocks for $12 an hour, so I probably won't be very receptive to the idea that being a bellhop or a dealer is an exceedingly difficult job).

I would like to say that I do like the idea of a dealer being paid a decent wage (does $20/hr sound reasonable? you're talking 40k/year), and perhaps letting players know that the dealer is well paid, but that an occasinal tip for exceptional service (not just average like you would tip for in a restaurant) is appreciated.

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Here's how I see it. I've got 0 experience as a dealer so take it or leave it (and my figures are probably way off). If I'm a dealer making $1 per hand in toke, and say I'm new and can only deal 22 hands / hour. That's and extra $22/hr. I'm taking in. If I can find a way to deal faster, come up with resolutions quicker, and make these calls with confidence so players don't call the floor over... maybe I can get my hands / hour up to 25. That's an extra $3 an hour which is a huge incentive to do better. As a player, you also want 25 h/hr. vs 22 h/hr. because why? you're given more opportunities to make money in the same timeframe. Tipping encourages dealers to deal more hands per hour. not tipping them... why would they give a rats ass if you get more than 20 hands per hour.

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Because they work for a casino who has a vested interest in more hands per hour (more rake from each pot, assuming you don't just buy time at the table), and you don't get to keep working there if you can't cut it.

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I'm not sure how tips work in Vegas, but where I play, tips to the dealers are spread equally amongst all the floor personnel throughout the casino.

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I'n not sure how to start this, because I don't want to be offensive, but somehow I think that dealer tipping is a somewhat strange practice. I mean, I tip a server at a restaurant based on the quality of service, if he or she is considerate, checks in to make sure I have what I need, etc. There's no exact right way to be a server, some general guidelines, but nothing definative.

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I agree. I don’t tip because society says I gotta. I tip when somebody deserves a tip. When somebody really puts forth an effort, they deserve a little something extra. But this tipping automatically, that [censored]’s for the birds. As far as I’m concerned, they’re just doin their job.

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if you didn't have it already, i was going to make it. nh, sir.

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I agree. I don’t tip because society says I gotta. I tip when somebody deserves a tip.

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That's fine, but we're talking about people who don't tip either way.

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I never thought dealing was that difficult a task until I went to dealing school.

There are so many factors to running a game you would be amazed at all the things a dealer is doing while smiling at you, and calling the waitress for more cocktails.

And for the most part, there are so many horrible dealers out there. This I know.

I wouldn't even know half the stuff I should be looking for if I had not gone to dealer's school. But since I did, and now I do know honestly you should be worried about who is handling your cards.

A dealer's mantra is to never unjustly influence the outcome of a game. And it's happening every day.

PUshing the pot to the wrong player, reading the board wrong, letting a player who's about to muck his hand know that it's a split pot because of the board..etc.etc.

If you want a clean, effecient honest game then tip dealers you see doing a good job, and let those bad dealers know who they are and why you didn't toke them. Otherwise they will never know why they should improve their skills.

And for those who think the casinos should pay them a decent wage, are you ready for the increased rake?

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And for those who think the casinos should pay them a decent wage, are you ready for the increased rake?


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If you think about it, this is all the tip is. It lets the dealer make alittle more money per hour and it comes from the winner's pot just like rake. In addition, since its called a tip and optional it rewards the dealer thus promoting good service.

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And for those who think the casinos should pay them a decent wage, are you ready for the increased rake?


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If you think about it, this is all the tip is. It lets the dealer make alittle more money per hour and it comes from the winner's pot just like rake. In addition, since its called a tip and optional it rewards the dealer thus promoting good service.

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Talk to aussie poker players, I think they will disagree with you. I won't quote #'s because I'd be off, but their rake is ungodly and one reason is no tipping.