Curtains made me do it! #2
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level 8 (200/400) 3 handed Seat 10 is the button Seat 8: devancali25 ( $968 ) Seat 9: wadnbuttAA ( $4240 ) Seat 10: curtainz ( $4792 ) ** Dealing down cards ** Dealt to curtainz [ 6h Jh ] I don't think there are any real good reads to be had at this stage except that wadnbuttAA has been able to give curtains a few amazingly well timed walks (what a lucksack [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img] ). So perhaps one could take that into account but meh. What is your standard play here and why? Yugoslav |
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LOL, my standard play is to fold here. You gonna teach us n00bs something?
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No reads on level 8, huh?
My standard play is to fold because I'm dumb. Thank you for this post. It's a push. |
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micro, it's not that there are no reads....it's just that there aren't any significant ones that would indicate to me, anyway, what these guys will necessarily do 3 handed. I found this one interesting based on what curtains actually did.
If you need a read it would be that 3 handed these guys are going to be a bit 'smart looser' than in a $33....but in a earlier curtains HH some dude called an allin 3 handed i believe with 96o when the pot odds were no good, so whatever. Yugoslav |
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I think I'd push here. A lot of the time SB will fold hoping you pwn BB, and BB will fold nearly everything for us. Our hand is pretty dope too!
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Raise exactly the small stack's stack size, that way it looks like you want to be called. [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img] [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]
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I think I'd push here. A lot of the time SB will fold hoping you pwn BB, and BB will fold nearly everything for us. Our hand is pretty dope too! [/ QUOTE ] |
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What is more important than reads here is Hero's image. Because mine is usually ruined at this point I think it's a closish fold. If not, then about a 0.6+ push I'd say.
Raising less than allin? Eastbay, when is that update ready? |
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Your relative position on this hand sucks. Furthermore SB is playing his cards, not hoping for a miracle.
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Actually I think pushing is worse than I originally eyeballed it. If there were 2000 less chips in play I think this push is mucho better, and I'm very curious to see what curtains did now.
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LOL, my standard play is to fold here. You gonna teach us n00bs something? [/ QUOTE ] |
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I beleive I made some normal raise to like 1000-1100. My opponent wasnt going to pull some move on me if the SB folded (they seemed tight and unimaginative) and I felt they would lean towards folding all but the best hands. I think that pushing would be a bit foolhardy against this opponent, as I can safely count on a strong hand if they reraise me. The SB was completely out of his mind but I only found that out a bit later.
Of course folding is reasonable as well, I just felt that it was a clear +EV steal situation. Even if Im called by the SB its no problem, because of the dead 400 from the BB. |
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My standard play at the 15+1 is to push and I am called with amzing hands like T7o. Probably I shouldn't do this in the low buy ins. In the medium buy ins I would push this every day. The calling range at the high buy ins could be like 30% ? Still a push, isn't it?
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I really think pushing is totally unneccessary against most opponents. |
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I like your line. For me, to correctly apply it, I must learn however to stick to your thought that you'll fold against resistance and not getting suddenly carried away with pot odds or something,
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No one considering a standard raise to 1100 or so? Of course if wadnbuttAA has any idea at all he'll reraise, but very few players actually do though.
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If they are tight and unimaginative you probably almost have the same FE as a push, only now you can fold when they reraise all-in, because then they'd really have a hand.
And if the other big stack is just a little loose pushing is very bad here I think. |
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No one considering a standard raise to 1100 or so? [/ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] I beleive I made some normal raise to like 1000-1100. [/ QUOTE ] |
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Yeah i'm always too lazy to read the whole thread [img]/images/graemlins/cool.gif[/img]
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No one considering a standard raise to 1100 or so? Of course if wadnbuttAA has any idea at all he'll reraise, but very few players actually do though. [/ QUOTE ] I have to admit I have always had serious problems with this line of thinking. You feel free to randomly raise anyone who doesnt move allin when there are 3 left, but they will call you with plenty. I've learned to be more aggressive when my opponents havent acted at all, as opposed to assuming they will fold a decent/medium strength hand with 3 left, just because someone else is short. Comments like "if he has any clue he will move allin with any 2 cards" are kind of silly to me. I would never blame someone for folding quite a decent % of hands from the BB to a standard raise. I guess I don't like the misguided implication that somehow all "good" players know that they should automatically be a bully in such situations. How many times do you need to be called by KTo before you get this idea? |
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$215 level 8 (200/400) 3 handed Seat 10 is the button Seat 8: devancali25 ( $968 ) Seat 9: wadnbuttAA ( $4240 ) Seat 10: curtainz ( $4792 ) ** Dealing down cards ** Dealt to curtainz [ 6h Jh ] I don't think there are any real good reads to be had at this stage except that wadnbuttAA has been able to give curtains a few amazingly well timed walks (what a lucksack [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img] ). So perhaps one could take that into account but meh. What is your standard play here and why? Yugoslav [/ QUOTE ] Fold this from button, push from SB if Btn folds, check if in BB and no one raises, Stop n Go (my new best friend when someone in LP min raises my BB and SB folds) |
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What is your pushign range on this hand? 22-77?
How are u playing KT-KQ? |
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KQ-KJ I do open push, along with any pair.
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Thanks for the rationale curtains.
Conclusion: he made it t1000 I believe and the results are unimportant. I found this interesting b/c, well, I've never even considered a 'standard' play here to raise normally given stack sizes and being ITM....he's right that BB was fairly unimaginative but BB was also able to call allins with quite a few hands ITM (nothing ridiculous but not uber tight). Yugoslav |
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Seems to me like the biggest metagame benefit of playing hands like this would be to make the same bet on AA-QQ. Is that the case or am I still just lost down here on level 2.x?
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yeah doesnt really matter much in this case, the guy wasnt paying attention nor did he understand ideas like this.
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I make it 968 to go.
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