slow down w/ quads?
 

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (6 max, 6 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx

CO ($135.40)
Button ($177.30)
Hero ($99)
BB ($72.35)
UTG ($81.22)
MP ($92.95)

Preflop: Hero is SB with 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]. Hero posts a blind of $0.50.
<font color="#CC3333">UTG raises to $2</font>, MP calls $2, CO calls $2, Button calls $2, Hero (poster) calls $1.50, BB calls $1.

Flop: ($12) 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(6 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $8</font>, BB folds, UTG calls $8, MP folds, CO folds, Button folds.

Turn: ($28) 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, UTG checks.

River: ($28) 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $20</font>, UTG calls $20.

Final Pot: $68

Re: slow down w/ quads?
 

The hand is fine for these limits, how long had you been sitting? I do this almost everytime unless the table is particularly passive, it will be great for diamond flush draws that smell the turn weakness, couple that with the ubiquitous overplay when an ace is out and you are going to extract plenty of value.

cambraceres

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I bet $20 on this turn and something like $50 on the river if called.

There is no flushdraw out there and he will check behind with a decent ace very often for pot control (and other reasons as well).

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Villain has you on an A, keep betting like you do. If he folds it's because he doesn't have a draw and can't beat an A, neither of which pay you off on the river. Just a make a bet on the turn that prices him in.

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15 on the turn. It is hard to extract with quads in holdem since it's almost impossible for someone to make a good enough 2nd best hand.

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i vote for betting the turn 15-20.

you're either gettin paid, or you aren't.

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I think a turn check is alright if you're looking to represent JT.

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not to get too OT, but every addition to your avatar scares me that much more.

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Why try to represent JT here? Why not represent AJ instead with a turn bet? This is one of the rare situations where you can actually get paid off with quads -- he's not going to put you on an 8, or 88, unless he's a weak-tighty who will have nightmares of 98. Given his flop call, the only hand he's probably worried about is 99, and if he has a decent ace he's not going to fold because of that.

It's possible he called on the flop w/not much hoping to bluff you off it on turn. So checking turn might get a bluff out of him which you'd lose if you bet. But this is highly doubtful on this flop, especially given his call of pot-sized bet led into PFR with 3 people left to act behind him. So he's got something he probably likes well enough, and will likely call you down. I'd say AQ is probable. He doesn't have a diamond flush draw, unless he's very aggressive preflop and has JdTd, which is doubtful (and if true, will also call or raise a turn bet). You've got a chance to stack him, or close to it. I'd bet 20 on turn, stick most of the rest in on river.

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BTW, PoBoy, I understand what you're trying to say is that if you're representing JT he'll bet turn. But even if he puts JT in your hand range after you check turn, he's still likely to check behind -- he's just not going to assign JT enough probability after you lead flop for 2/3 pot into PFR and 5 others. Only way he's going to bet here is if he has a hand that would have called a turn and river bet from you anyway. And even if he does bet, what are you going to do then? Raise? Call and lead river? You can't call and check river, he'll check behind with lots of stuff. Either line is much more likely to induce a fold IMO than just betting turn and river.

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Fastplaying is the new slowplaying. Bet your monsters like you'd bet TPGK+. $15 looks good here. Straight draw might still look you up as well as Ax.

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I agree with yad and 4 2.. you need to bet the turn, But 15-20 (Isura-beavens) is too much.
you want to keep TJ or A in the pot.
20 into a 28 pot will force a weak A out.
12 (just under half the pot) in a 28 pot will keep all the draws in and a good A might raise you. if he calls you
42 in the pot.. bet 20 on the river.

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No. There is no reason to slow down. They called the first bet with what is probably ace with high kicker and I doubt they are putting you on an 8, let alone a pair of them. A person with bottom pair does not usually bet pot like that. You dont want to blow them out of the pot here but I would never check this to a person who is showing a desire to put money in the pot.

I am slightly tempted to check this flop but if you lead and get called keep going.

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I don't like this since you are first to act on the turn.

I'd only do this if villain checks first on the turn. I'll check behind and hope for either a "value-bet" or bluff from villain on the river. In that case you can minraise whatever he bets and be fairly certain he calls.

The way this hand played, you are forced to "guess" at what you can get out of him on the river. If I check this turn, I bet more than 5/7 pot on the river. I'm thinking he may call more here.

All-in-all, I think u lost value on this hand.

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