lower buy-in sngs at pokerstars being overrun with donkeys?
 

Anybody else see the huge amount of donkeys playing the 11s an 20s at pokerstars lately. Has it always been this bad an i am jus now starting to be affected by it or has there been an influx of bad players. My bankroll is wanting to go elsewhere than pokerstars lately because of it. anybody agree that there are lots more bad players out there and if so is that a good thing or a bad thing?

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And why would this be bad?

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My bankroll is wanting to go elsewhere than pokerstars lately because of it.

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Good idea. Bring your bankroll to somewhere where there are only good players.

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dunno if its the same for you guys but i play better with better players

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i guess i should put in here that it is becoming more an more a crapshoot at the lower buyins. ive made a good amount here in the last year an since they started the wsop stuff ive had all sorts of donks crackin my aces an kings with garbage like 45o an 108o

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dunno if its the same for you guys but i play better with better players

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This is true for everybody. The reasoning is clear:

A good player is one who makes money.

A bad player is one who loses money.

Therefore, you will make more money against good players.

Irieguy

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And the people that dropped down from the 100's and 200's to check out all the newcomers are crying and gnashing their teeth as well.

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You suck.

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its not bad in the sense that you have better chance in longhaul maybe. but it seems like its becoming more of a crapshoot when you have people calling allins with nothing but high cards to outdraw you on later streets. you mine as well go an play roulette or blackjack

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im soo glad people like this have to put in their two cents that has a lot of input on the subject. moron

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its not bad in the sense that you have better chance in longhaul maybe. but it seems like its becoming more of a crapshoot when you have people calling allins with nothing but high cards to outdraw you on later streets. you mine as well go an play roulette or blackjack

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how did you ever win money with this type of attitude? I LOVE when people call an all-in when I'm a 70-30 favorite

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its not bad in the sense that you have better chance in longhaul maybe. but it seems like its becoming more of a crapshoot when you have people calling allins with nothing but high cards to outdraw you on later streets. you mine as well go an play roulette or blackjack

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ure making me really, really, upset. If im upset i dont even want to think what Citanul thinking/throwing at this moment.

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That makes no sense, and is an argument that people make that do not know what they are talking about. Would you rather play against people that are willing to call all of their stack off with an inside straight draw, or against 9 other people that play tight early and aggressive on the bubble? If your answer was option 2, just start playing the Step 5s on party cuz you will probably do real good.

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i love when they call me too but it seems lately they are hitting more frequently an more people are calling in these situations

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i love when they call me too but it seems lately they are hitting more frequently an more people are calling in these situations

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just a bit of variance... Playing poker, after all, is a game of chance... all you can do when you lose like this, is be happy with the fact that you got your money in when you had the best of it, and move on. When luck swings your way, just pray that these people are still around and still calling off their stack when they have the worst of it [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

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dunno if its the same for you guys but i play better with better players

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Then why are you playing the $10s. You should clearly be playing the $500s. That's where the good players are.

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One of the biggest myth in poker is that wilder play = more variance on a SNG.
That is some serious, serious bullshiit. Variance on SNG its only affected by ROI.( im supposing winning players not some idiot who folds every hand)

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but skoal i have built up a 1000 bankroll off of 25 dollers when i start to lose 250 to 300 of it on strictly 10 doller sngs it worries me should i be worried or is it "variance" rearing its ugly head?

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m soo glad people like this have to put in their two cents that has a lot of input on the subject. moron

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dunno if its the same for you guys but i play better with better players

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I also play better against better players, in the sense that I use more of my poker skills.

But I make more money against worse players.

Take your pick.

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but how do you explain that if my play hasnt changed nad has made me a decent bankroll after a year off nothing an now all of a sudden im getting crushed? its all variance? or starting to get close to rollin dice

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but skoal i have built up a 1000 bankroll off of 25 dollers when i start to lose 250 to 300 of it on strictly 10 doller sngs it worries me should i be worried or is it "variance" rearing its ugly head?

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I doubt it's all variance. Perhaps you've developed leaks and you aren't even aware of them? Maybe your play has changed a bit thanks to a losing streak?

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that's some funny shiit

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look.
1) a 30 buy-in downswing at those level aint that rare, ive been 14 OOTM on a row twice on the 11s.
2) dont expect nice replies when there is a stickied FAQ, did you really read the FAQ??

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the crap shoot can be avioded...these players either double up or get eliminated.

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yeah...why would this be bad?

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ive read the faq but didnt see any of it that related to what i was asking. i try to do my best an keeping most of my questions there. hence the reason i dont have many post. if you could direct me to the faq on this topic i would appreciate it.

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agreed, variance is a minor part of poker. It takes its forms in days and even weeks but good play will always compensate for variance

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ive read the faq but didnt see any of it that related to what i was asking. i try to do my best an keeping most of my questions there. hence the reason i dont have many post. if you could direct me to the faq on this topic i would appreciate it.

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Here ya go

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so i should not worry about it and do business as usual and suck it up right? thats what i thought everyone here would say too. just wanted to see if anyone else has noticed a ton more donks comin to these sites.

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If you're more interested in finishing in the money than your earn rate, you could play tighter earlier on. Your variance will be lower, you won't win as much, but you'll finish in the money more often.

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thanks for all the replies (both positive and negative) sorry valenz about not seeing that FAQ. see you guys at the tables

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What people don't realize is that the vast majority of money you make in poker is because of your opponent's mistakes. Not your brilliant plant.

Donkeys = good

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but how do you explain that if my play hasnt changed nad has made me a decent bankroll after a year off nothing an now all of a sudden im getting crushed? its all variance? or starting to get close to rollin dice

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Maybe it's because the games are harder now, not easier.

Lori

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thanks everyone for their input

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m soo glad people like this have to put in their two cents that has a lot of input on the subject. moron

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CRIPPLE FIGHT!!!!!

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the title of this thread is an oxymoron


Straight Flushes,

SAM

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the title of this thread is an oxymoron

Straight Flushes,

SAM

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Huh? No it's not.

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you are right. they are total crapshoots now. with all the bad players it isn't worth playing there anymore unless you want to gamble. the gambles at the $10 sngs are probably worse than playing blackjack because instead of just gambling against the dealer you have to gamble against 9 other players. this is really bad odds.

there is two things you should do. it sounds like you only have a bankroll of about $700 left after your horrible bad beats. if i was you i would either:

a) play 6 $100+9 sng's and 1 $50+5 - this will be against better players and it won't be a crapshoot. and even if you get unlucky once or twice you are playing 7 in total and should start winning money.

b) the other option is to play roulette using the martingale system. start with a bet of $50 and go from there.

good luck in whichever you choose to do.

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ooops replace oxymoron with redundant


SAM
who promises to actually think about his replies before posting them.

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