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I don't know. Could be they do things differently. Could be an incorrect sign. Obviously, they don't have to follow the rules set forth for Nevada and AC.

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You are unfortunately both pedantic and naive. A terrible combination. Yes the supreme court did pretty well say that you must show the officer ID. You can debate what would happen if the arrest was in NY vs NV with different local laws but I'd bet you a whole lotta money that you'd have shitty luck in either state with that line.

Now on to the practical... Do you really want to piss off the cop. You know they rape people with plungers there, right? You really want a plunger up the ass to exercise your rights? You live in a police state, get over it.

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Do you really want to piss off the cop. You know they rape people with plungers there, right? You really want a plunger up the ass to exercise your rights? You live in a police state, get over it.

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"it's giuliani time!"

(i dunno whether or not the cops actually said that; it's still a classic line anyway.)

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Do you really want to piss off the cop. You know they rape people with plungers there, right? You really want a plunger up the ass to exercise your rights? You live in a police state, get over it.

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"it's giuliani time!"

(i dunno whether or not the cops actually said that; it's still a classic line anyway.)

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Actually, Louima admitted that the he never actually heard the cops say that line... but it's not like he really needed that to make his case ...

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Though you are not required to hand over an ID you are required to identify yourself and falsely identifying yourself would be a violation of law

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100% false under New York law.

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Not exactly. It is the crime of False Personation if "after being informed of the consequences of such act" you "knowingly misrepresent" your name, birthdate or address intending to prevent the cop "from ascertaining such information". Penal Law 190.23. In other words, if the cop tells you it's a crime to give a false name and you do, it's a B misdemeanor.

However, you do NOT have to identify yourself. And it is NOT a crime to refuse to identify yourself.

Practically speaking it's pretty simple. Provide your ID and you'll hopefully be on your way in a couple hours with no charges. Or refuse to identify yourself in which case while legal you'll probably be brought down to the precinct and fingerprinted to see if you have any warrants and to try to determine who you are. Then they'll either release you or decide to charge you with something.

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I have a question. You're in a NYC underground club playing. Cops do their thing. They take you outside for questioning and ask "who was dealing at the table?". What do you tell them?

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"Sorry, John Law, I don't remember"

Re: AP club just got busted
 

From the poker press:

Anthony Soprano Jr. Caught in Poker Raid
October 23, 2005
Michael Friedman

Another day, another raid for New York City's burgeoning underground poker community. Late last week, police continued their crackdown on the illegal venues as they raided the Ace Point Backgammon and Chess Studio located on the Upper East Side.

According to police, officers found the club after receiving a 911 call complaining about a "disorderly crowd" in the fifth-floor apartment at 328 E. 61st Street. Upon entrance to the apartment police found players getting action on seven tables.

Ironically, after the recent Arod/Hellmuth poker-club bust and the other celebrity players getting caught looking for action, have brought the house down for their poker haunts thanks to the coverage by star-obsessed New York City newspapers.

This bust once again featured another celebrity as "Sopranos" badass Robert Iler, a.k.a. Tony Soprano's son, had the unfortunate luck of walking into the middle of the bust with two friends.

Iler, who plays Anthony Soprano Jr. on the immensely successful HBO series about a New Jersey mob family was not arrested and was let go along with 30 other players after police ran theirs IDs for outstanding warrants. Lucky for Iler, his earlier brush with the law has been virtually erased, after he plead guilty to taking part in a mugging in 2002. Iler served three years of probation for his involvement.

Unfortunately, the seven dealers at the small club were arrested for allegedly promoting gambling and didn't receive the "star" treatment from the raiding police.

ID and raids
 

the point is not if it is legal or not to have to id yourself of show id...
the cops do not arrest you for not showing id...they take you in to check your identity (which you failed to give them) so that they can make sure you are not a wanted criminal.
just give your id and get going