Re: I think this is right but scuba disagrees
 

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thats alot of assumptions for a pretty dire situation and he may not know I'm a 2+2er before this hand

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BTW, I had in my notes that I was guessing you were a 2er, but then this hand happened earlier in the night, and I removed you from the thought 2er list.

Since you're calling me out, what are your thoughts on this call?

#Game No : 3272540580
***** Hand History for Game 3272540580 *****
NL Texas Hold'em $30 Buy-in + $3 Entry Fee Trny:18662326 Level:5 Blinds(75/150) - Tuesday, December 27, 23:34:33 EDT 2005
Table Table 68233 (Real Money)
Seat 8 is the button
Total number of players : 6
Seat 6: Scuba_Chuck ( $840 )
Seat 9: Adversarian ( $1270 )
Seat 10: elcheapo23 ( $1535 )
Seat 4: f15smuggler ( $2220 )
Seat 3: stang4601 ( $1195 )
Seat 8: beer4me182 ( $940 )
Trny:18662326 Level:5
Blinds(75/150)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Scuba_Chuck [ Ad Qs ]
stang4601 folds.
f15smuggler folds.
Scuba_Chuck is all-In [840]
beer4me182 folds.
Adversarian folds.
elcheapo23 calls [690].
** Dealing Flop ** [ Tc, Ac, 2h ]
** Dealing Turn ** [ 6d ]
** Dealing River ** [ Ts ]
elcheapo23 shows [ 2d, 2c ] a full house, Twos full of tens.
Scuba_Chuck shows [ Ad, Qs ] two pairs, aces and tens.
elcheapo23 wins 1755 chips from the main pot with a full house, Twos full of tens.
Scuba_Chuck finished in sixth place.
Scuba_Chuck has left the table.
Game #3272543727 starts.

Re: I think this is right but scuba disagrees
 

ZINGER. I pretty much hate it.

Re: I think this is right but scuba disagrees
 

op,
Scuba just pwn3d you?!?!

Yikes!

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Yugoslav

Re: I think this is right but scuba disagrees
 

shnapppppp!!!

Re: I think this is right but scuba disagrees
 

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op,
Scuba just pwn3d you?!?!

Yikes!

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Yugoslav

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Re: I think this is right but scuba disagrees
 

I think the call with 22 is clearly correct. At least Im sure its +EV against Scubas range.

Re: I think this is right but scuba disagrees
 

I think the most important part of Grumps post is when he explains how you should calculate the pot odds. If your not calling for pot odds in this BORDERLINE situation, than what are you calling for???? So I think the fact that you have the pot odds all wrong, makes this even more of an obviously mistake.

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I take back everything I said btw...I thought the hero was the other short stack.. Now I have to reexamine. I believe I'd lean towards folding now, as SB should be tighter in this situation.

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Why should SB be tighter? What calling range are you assuming Scuba will put BB on?

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Cos of the other short stack.

I am thinking Scuba would put BB on a 32-38%ish calling range if BB seems decent.

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and 39% happens to include K3o.....

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right, so SB has to be tighter.

Re: I think this is right but scuba disagrees
 

I understand Scuba's range is probably pretty wide and the blinds provide a nice overlay for a coinflip, but it's still hard for me to grasp that calling here with 2's is correct.

Re: I think this is right but scuba disagrees
 

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I understand Scuba's range is probably pretty wide and the blinds provide a nice overlay for a coinflip, but it's still hard for me to grasp that calling here with 2's is correct.

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It's not, Curtains is joking.