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UCF THAYER 10-20-2005 02:47 AM

Re: does clutch exist?
 
You do realize that last year in the playoffs Arod had an OBP of .414, and a slugging of .600, right?
Or is that too long ago? Lets use 15 at bats to evaluate a player, good idea!

Pujols went 0 for 4 tonight, god what a chokejob!
This guy obviously can't deal with pressure. And dont even think about bringing up what he did on Monday night, that was soooo long ago, that doesn't count.

pryor15 10-20-2005 03:16 AM

Re: does clutch exist?
 
[ QUOTE ]
You do realize that last year in the playoffs Arod had an OBP of .414, and a slugging of .600, right?
Or is that too long ago? Lets use 15 at bats to evaluate a player, good idea!

Pujols went 0 for 4 tonight, god what a chokejob!
This guy obviously can't deal with pressure. And dont even think about bringing up what he did on Monday night, that was soooo long ago, that doesn't count.

[/ QUOTE ]

dude, all i was saying is that the original line given was a) wrong, and b) heavily influenced by his seattle years. chill out already.

lumping 2 stat groups together like that w/o showing the splits is pretty irresponsible. it isn't like grouping 2004 & 2005, there are all sorts of variables between his seattle years and his new york years.

DougOzzzz 10-20-2005 07:44 AM

Re: does clutch exist?
 
Virtually all statistical analysis in baseball has given no evidence of clutch existing. The one that I know of that claims clutch exists is Andy Dolphin's.

Most analysis doesn't DISPROVE clutch. Real differences probably exist on some level. In baseball, it probably has more to do with the type of hitter rather than some actual ability to play better when the game is on the line.

However, the main problem is clutch situations are pretty rare. Few are able to agree on what exactly is clutch. You end up with tiny sample sizes, and thus, very little evidence to prove one way or another if a single guy is clutch or not.

I haven't seen any analysis done on clutch in basketball - however, some guys get clutch reputations solely on the fact that they shoot the ball a whole lot more late in the game. Kobe Bryant, for example.


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