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ACPlayer it is pretty ironic that you would call anyone else's views on Islam, "ignorant".

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Your stating that I contradicted myself in the Pope thread (when I did not)

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MMMMMM Quote #1: "I'm not recommending that everyone refrain from unmarried sex, or from relationships. Just from casual, promiscuous sex".

MMMMMM Quote #2: "Casual sex IS sex outside of marriage or serious relationships".


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And yes, sex is OK, but more restraint and discretion in the practice of sex would curtail the spread of AIDs. Clear enough?


[/ QUOTE ] Sure, but that's not what you're saying. For the record: I could go to a swingers camp where everyone is tested for Aids/STDs and make wild monkey love to 30 people in a weekend and I would do nothing to spread AIDS.

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Also, I agree it is partially (probably about 20%) our dealings in the Middle East that have contributed to the state of affairs, but it is primarily the deep Islamic double-standard and Koranic injunctions that fuel the fire at base.

[/ QUOTE ] So... if the US didnt' have troops in the Middle East, hadn't had a long history of meddling in the affairs of oil rich Middle Eastern nations... the Islamics would have just woken up and decided to attack the US?

I'm sorry, I have trouble believing that you even believe that. (Though I know once you take a stance, you will follow it no matter how ridiculous and illogical it is.)

The odd this is you're posting all this to support the idea that we are "CRAZY TOLERANT" for allowing the prisoners to have their religious texts.

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Kurto I'm calling you a liar on this one.


[/ QUOTE ] And I'm calling a liar and an ignorant moron based on nearly every post of yours I've seen. You call everything false and then just slink off or change the subject when people post evidence that they're right. Who cares what you say? You've never been right yet.

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Prove that "milatary personnel have confirmed that prisoners were beeaten to death".


[/ QUOTE ] You really are mentally challenged, aren't you?

I already posted this for you once WITH YOUR NAME IN THE HEADING of the thread so you wouldn't miss it.

I will post it again. This will settle once and for all that you are an ignorant person and a waste of time.

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Even as the young Afghan man was dying before them, his American jailers continued to torment him.

The prisoner, a slight, 22-year-old taxi driver known only as Dilawar, was hauled from his cell at the detention center in Bagram, Afghanistan, at around 2 a.m. to answer questions about a rocket attack on an American base. When he arrived in the interrogation room, an interpreter who was present said, his legs were bouncing uncontrollably in the plastic chair and his hands were numb. He had been chained by the wrists to the top of his cell for much of the previous four days.

Mr. Dilawar asked for a drink of water, and one of the two interrogators, Specialist Joshua R. Claus, 21, picked up a large plastic bottle. But first he punched a hole in the bottom, the interpreter said, so as the prisoner fumbled weakly with the cap, the water poured out over his orange prison scrubs. The soldier then grabbed the bottle back and began squirting the water forcefully into Mr. Dilawar's face.

"Come on, drink!" the interpreter said Specialist Claus had shouted, as the prisoner gagged on the spray. "Drink!"

At the interrogators' behest, a guard tried to force the young man to his knees. But his legs, which had been pummeled by guards for several days, could no longer bend. An interrogator told Mr. Dilawar that he could see a doctor after they finished with him. When he was finally sent back to his cell, though, the guards were instructed only to chain the prisoner back to the ceiling.

"Leave him up," one of the guards quoted Specialist Claus as saying.

Several hours passed before an emergency room doctor finally saw Mr. Dilawar. By then he was dead, his body beginning to stiffen. It would be many months before Army investigators learned a final horrific detail: Most of the interrogators had believed Mr. Dilawar was an innocent man who simply drove his taxi past the American base at the wrong time.

The story of Mr. Dilawar's brutal death at the Bagram Collection Point - and that of another detainee, Habibullah, who died there six days earlier in December 2002 - emerge from a nearly 2,000-page confidential file of the Army's criminal investigation into the case, a copy of which was obtained by The New York Times.

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You are a liar.


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You can apologize now. And then please go troll someone else. You're really too stupid and ignorant to take seriously.

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It would seem to me you get most of your news from Al Jazera.
I'm sure OBL is very proud of you.

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Geez, you are such a cliche. You sound like a Rush wannabe only without the wit or 1/10 of the intelligence. You would make PT Barnum salivate.

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So... if the US didnt' have troops in the Middle East, hadn't had a long history of meddling in the affairs of oil rich Middle Eastern nations... the Islamics would have just woken up and decided to attack the US?

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Yes, and the history of jihad throughout the ages has been largely of Muslim aggression and expansion against non-Muslims, in an attempt to forcibly impose their religion as the ruling political force, inseparable from government. This has a clear Koranic basis, and a long historical basis starting with Muhammad.

I will at a later date post a new thread detailing the actual history of Jihad throughout the ages, and the Koranic basis for it, though it may take me some time to find and assemble the material.

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There's no need to. Its irrelevent.

I could post a long history of our meddling in the middle east, trying to depose governments, aiding in wars, etc... numerous of books have been written about it. (For that matter, my Father who is an old fashioned Republican worked in the Pentagon and acknowledges that we have a long history of building ill will against us in the middle east because of our quest for oil... This is a man who worked in intelligence and does nothing but read books about history/war and politics (mostly by conservatives))

I could also post links about the crusades... but it would be meaningless.

One only has to look at recent history to see why we're in the situation we're at.

Neocons like to pretend that people wake up on the other side of the world and say, "I hate their freedoms, I'm going to go to the US and kill people"... or that they open the Koran and decide to attack the US.

Its really so naive.

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You don't understand because you don't realize that the Koran instructs Muslims to overcome and subjugate all the world to the rule of Islam (and by force if necessary).

So for people actually following the Koran literally, attacks on the USA would just be a matter of time, if the USA would not willingly submit to Islamic rule. If not this decade then another decade.

It's very simple but you are ignorant of what the Koran actually says, and you have not listened to what the most prominent Islamic clerics and scholars have to say about it.

You are just ignorant of these things and I am telling you what the facts are. If you prefer to hear it from more authoritative sources just listen or read the sermons and analysis by prominent imams.

But I doubt you will do that because you are probably unwilling to truly listen to anything that contradicts your currently held view of the world.

So be it; I have tried to inform you.

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You don't understand because you don't realize that the Koran instructs Muslims to overcome and subjugate all the world to the rule of Islam (and by force if necessary).


[/ QUOTE ] You are intent on taking this simplistic view. Fine. Go ahead. You can ignore the entire history of US involvement in the Middle East and pretend that its nothing more then people following the Koran. Its really not interesting debating someone who takes such a narrow simplistic view.

Also note: I work with Islamics. You are referring to the more fanatical Clerics who don't represent the majority of the Billion or so Muslims worldwide.

9/11 had nothing to do with our Middle East Policy and our having troops stationed in the Holy Land. It was just inevitable. LOL

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Kurto I'm calling you a liar on this one.


[/ QUOTE ] And I'm calling a liar and an ignorant moron based on nearly every post of yours I've seen. You call everything false and then just slink off or change the subject when people post evidence that they're right. Who cares what you say? You've never been right yet.

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Prove that "milatary personnel have confirmed that prisoners were beeaten to death".


[/ QUOTE ] You really are mentally challenged, aren't you?

I already posted this for you once WITH YOUR NAME IN THE HEADING of the thread so you wouldn't miss it.

I will post it again. This will settle once and for all that you are an ignorant person and a waste of time.

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y TIM GOLDEN
Even as the young Afghan man was dying before them, his American jailers continued to torment him.

The prisoner, a slight, 22-year-old taxi driver known only as Dilawar, was hauled from his cell at the detention center in Bagram, Afghanistan, at around 2 a.m. to answer questions about a rocket attack on an American base. When he arrived in the interrogation room, an interpreter who was present said, his legs were bouncing uncontrollably in the plastic chair and his hands were numb. He had been chained by the wrists to the top of his cell for much of the previous four days.

Mr. Dilawar asked for a drink of water, and one of the two interrogators, Specialist Joshua R. Claus, 21, picked up a large plastic bottle. But first he punched a hole in the bottom, the interpreter said, so as the prisoner fumbled weakly with the cap, the water poured out over his orange prison scrubs. The soldier then grabbed the bottle back and began squirting the water forcefully into Mr. Dilawar's face.

"Come on, drink!" the interpreter said Specialist Claus had shouted, as the prisoner gagged on the spray. "Drink!"

At the interrogators' behest, a guard tried to force the young man to his knees. But his legs, which had been pummeled by guards for several days, could no longer bend. An interrogator told Mr. Dilawar that he could see a doctor after they finished with him. When he was finally sent back to his cell, though, the guards were instructed only to chain the prisoner back to the ceiling.

"Leave him up," one of the guards quoted Specialist Claus as saying.

Several hours passed before an emergency room doctor finally saw Mr. Dilawar. By then he was dead, his body beginning to stiffen. It would be many months before Army investigators learned a final horrific detail: Most of the interrogators had believed Mr. Dilawar was an innocent man who simply drove his taxi past the American base at the wrong time.

The story of Mr. Dilawar's brutal death at the Bagram Collection Point - and that of another detainee, Habibullah, who died there six days earlier in December 2002 - emerge from a nearly 2,000-page confidential file of the Army's criminal investigation into the case, a copy of which was obtained by The New York Times.

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You are a liar.


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You can apologize now. And then please go troll someone else. You're really too stupid and ignorant to take seriously.

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It would seem to me you get most of your news from Al Jazera.
I'm sure OBL is very proud of you.

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Geez, you are such a cliche. You sound like a Rush wannabe only without the wit or 1/10 of the intelligence. You would make PT Barnum salivate.

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Hey loonie once again you dodged the answer.
You said numeous milatary personel have admitted to torture.
this post doesn't say that. No milatary people say that.
You are a brainwashed meat sack.
You spew the dems talking points all day.
You say things over and over again like the dems thinking that if we just heard it enough times it would be true.
The story you pointed out is 3 years old [censored] for brains.
And doesn't backup the point you made.
As for "slinking away" unlike you I have a job and can't post 24 hours a day.
Do you understand that by your interpritation you are hurting innocent american soldiers.
Wgat percentage of soldiers do you see as evil?
85%
95%
Buy a clue or maybe laxitive.You are clearly backed up.
Good luck with the hatin.

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You said numeous milatary personel have admitted to torture.
this post doesn't say that. No milatary people say that.


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You can't really be this stupid. Then again, I see how you spell, how little you read and you're inability to reason.

You really can be.

Please... go troll Nickelodeon. I suspect the children there would still speak above you but its a worth a shot.

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You don't understand because you don't realize that the Koran instructs Muslims to overcome and subjugate all the world to the rule of Islam (and by force if necessary).

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You are intent on taking this simplistic view. Fine. Go ahead. You can ignore the entire history of US involvement in the Middle East and pretend that its nothing more then people following the Koran. Its really not interesting debating someone who takes such a narrow simplistic view.

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If you actually READ and REMEMBERED what I wrote (in this very thread), you would know that I am not ignoring that. In fact I guesstimated a roughly 20% causal factor to those things; or alternatively, those things may be looked at as catalysts.

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Also note: I work with Islamics. You are referring to the more fanatical Clerics who don't represent the majority of the Billion or so Muslims worldwide.

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The more extreme interpretations of Islan are actually the most scripturally supported.

As Ibn Warraq put it, "There may be moderate Muslims, but Islam itself is not moderate."

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9/11 had nothing to do with our Middle East Policy and our having troops stationed in the Holy Land.

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Again, that is not what I am saying and either you aren't thinking clearly or you are deliberately miscoinstruing my meaning.

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It was just inevitable. LOL

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9/11 itself was not inevitable, but attacks upon the West (incvluding the USA) are/were eventually forthcoming based upon the Koranic injunctions (if the West refuses to submit to the pre-eminence of Islam and Islamic law).