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So? What must or must not be read should be determined by somebody who doesn't think that your post is a must read. Really, it was just a waste of time, not particularly important.

-Michael

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lol....point taken.

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I gotta say, I'm with the other posts...if playing poker with someone in public would potentially be dangerous to one's career, they shouldn't freakin' do it. Common sense, y'all. We're all bigb boys and girls, and can make our own choices, especially when it comes to our careers, and job security.

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So if you get this great job, that you love(great pay, benefits, etc.) but you know the boss thinks poker players are the scum of the earth. Are you going to quit your job or quit playing poker?

Are you going to be pissed at your buddy, who comes up and slaps you on the back, talking about last night's poker game, when your out to lunch with the boss?

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I know a man that is a recovering alcoholic. He has a high profile job in public service. It requires a public vote to get this job. Can you see how this person could be affected if the public knew he was alcoholic? Yet, this man has been totally sober for over 30 years. Not a single drop. His being a recovering alcoholic (until the day they die, an alcoholic is always "recovering") does not affect his job performance. One in which he is very highly regarded. yet I think we can all see how it could change the publics perception if they knew. Can we now see the parallel?

It is not my place to point out to the public that this man is a recovering alcoholic.


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Wow, you know President Bush!?! [img]/images/graemlins/shocked.gif[/img] I think the cat has already been let out of the bag on that one.

Seriously though, I’ll be 30 next month, and thoughts like this make me sad. Alcoholism, like all drug addiction, is a serious, incurable disease, just like AIDS and many others. This guy shouldn’t be ashamed of being a recovering alcoholic, he should be proud that he has the character and determination to beat this vicious disease. People generally look down on those who suffer from the disease of drug addiction, because they have low self-esteem, and it makes them feel better about themselves. Since this guy’s in public office, hopefully he’s doing everything he can to promote treating the disease of drug addiction as a health problem, rather than a criminal problem.

It’s depressing to think how unenlightened most of our society is. You can lose a lot of money playing the stock market and be more well thought of by many people, than if you won a lot of money playing poker. IMO, I think the solution to your post is just for everyone to practice proper etiquette. While I know it is a pipe dream, just try and treat everyone else as well as you would want to be treated (unless you’re a masochist, of course).

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I gotta say, I'm with the other posts...if playing poker with someone in public would potentially be dangerous to one's career, they shouldn't freakin' do it. Common sense, y'all. We're all bigb boys and girls, and can make our own choices, especially when it comes to our careers, and job security.

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So if you get this great job, that you love(great pay, benefits, etc.) but you know the boss thinks poker players are the scum of the earth. Are you going to quit your job or quit playing poker?

Are you going to be pissed at your buddy, who comes up and slaps you on the back, talking about last night's poker game, when your out to lunch with the boss?

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If it comes down to the choice - I'd quit poker in an instant. Hope that's never the case, but if it is, that's life. Poker's a game, and until it IS my job, I won't trade a good one for it.

Also, I'm pretty sure the original post was about "serious" casino poker players like a lot of us are, not the ones who just sit around in their basements with buddies.

-Edge

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So if you get this great job, that you love(great pay, benefits, etc.) but you know the boss thinks poker players are the scum of the earth. Are you going to quit your job or quit playing poker?

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If what i do outside of work that is of harm to no one affects my job advancement, pay or whatever without basing it on my merits at the 'job', sorry, i'll look for another job in the same field. This isn't just poker either. There are jobs, 1 i know if in particular, where religious crispies are in charge that if you don't 'act or dress' a certain way you can get looked over. Screw it. Life is too short to let that happen. I will go only so far to coddle them. My free time is my own. I'd work for less. I've done it before.

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Are you going to be pissed at your buddy, who comes up and slaps you on the back, talking about last night's poker game, when your out to lunch with the boss?

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No. I wouldn't work for someone who i'd have to hide stuff from or feel guilty in front of. No boss will ever have that control over me. How much are you willing to be whipped? Doesn't sound like a 'dream' job to me.

What a great place that would be to work knowing how your 'boss' looks down on people like that and would hold it against you. Fantastic.

b

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If you are giving more than a simple "Hi, how ya doin'?" you are probably just being a dick. It doesn't matter if they should tell their boss or pastor/priest or wife that they play poker. If you are trying to shake them up for next time at the table with a comment on their play, or any other kind of trash talk, you're just being an immature ass that can't differentiate between the game and real life.

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PS. Nobody ever approached ME nor affected ME, nor the persons close to me.

The funniest part about this is I learned this principle at age 10. Who taught me this? MY MOTHER who worked in the business. Why is it a 10 yr old can accept it so readily and y'all have such trouble with it?

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I think someone "outed" your mother in public and she was embarrassed that people found out where she worked and it affected you and you are in denial...

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That'd be my response, too. I don't care who knows I play, and anyone who prefers to keep it hidden should wear noseglasses and a Bozo wig at the table (or play exclusively online).

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PS. Nobody ever approached ME nor affected ME, nor the persons close to me.

The funniest part about this is I learned this principle at age 10. Who taught me this? MY MOTHER who worked in the business. Why is it a 10 yr old can accept it so readily and y'all have such trouble with it?

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I think someone "outed" your mother in public and she was embarrassed that people found out where she worked and it affected you and you are in denial...

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roflmao...No I'm not in denial. The topic is a very old common courtesy that has been a known principle for many many years in the poker business. Yet it is somewhat unknown with the explosion of poker in the last 2 years.

The "poker crowd" is much younger today. I dont think anyone will deny this. 20 somethings are now more the norm than the exception. Yet many of these players are not in a position where they could be harmed by this principle not being practiced, simply because they are young in life and are not in a position YET where harm could come from a certain "stigma" others may put on us poker players. These very same players cannot fathom AT THIS TIME IN THEIR LIVES why or how harm could come. Nor do they give a rats ass. This is perfectly understandable. But give some of them 10 years into their lives and that may be completely different. Now I am just using generalizations so take it as such.

So what really is the reason I would post this topic?

To pass it on. To pass on what was so freely given to me by others with more experience. Thats basically what we do in this forum in fact. We share out experience with others. lets face it, had it not been for people like DS & MM, Alan Schoonmaker, Doyle Brunson, John Vorhaus, Tommy Angelo, etc.. whom have all shared their experience with us, we would all be on a much slower road to better play in our games. I am by no means classing myself as "better than" or anything like that. I am in fact just passing along something I learned a long time ago that I have not seen mentioned. I really had no idea this could be such a hard concept for others to understand or accept. It seems to be quite controversial. Very interesting.