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oh yeah. forgot that zee had finished 2nd in that party tourney ($110k is a victory in my book)

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Good job Justin,
Can I have my $200 back?

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congrats

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Real pro he is.. My ass he is just lucky.

First he sucks out with 77 dude has Top two pair.


777toome: raises 745936 to 865936 and is all-in
ZeeJustin: calls 528787 and is all-in
*** FLOP *** [Ah 9c Qh]
*** TURN *** [Ah 9c Qh] [7d]
*** RIVER *** [Ah 9c Qh 7d] [8h]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
ZeeJustin: shows [7h 7s] (three of a kind, Sevens)
777toome: shows [Qs As] (two pair, Aces and Queens)
ZeeJustin collected 1313574 from pot
Ozzy 87 said, "nh"

Then he calls with AQ on a dead flop and turn.

** RIVER *** [2s 8s 5c 9h] [6c]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
gibralter11: shows [Qd Td] (high card Queen)
ZeeJustin: shows [Qs Ac] (high card Ace)ZeeJustin: raises 80000 to 120000



And to top it off He calls with KQ on another dead flop and catches.

*** FLOP *** [2h 5h 2c]
*** TURN *** [2h 5h 2c] [Ks]
*** RIVER *** [2h 5h 2c Ks] [Th]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
zip9598: shows [3h 3c] (two pair, Threes and Deuces)
ZeeJustin: shows [Kc Qc] (two pair, Kings and Deuces)


Wow dude you are my idol... How this guy wins all the time I have no idea. By the hands I just put up you got lucky. You could have been busted on any one of them if you did not catch besides the one where the guy had Q10.

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er.. is that a joke post? I'll just pretend it's not.

the 77 vs AQ was a race.. and he didn't suck out, money went in PF.

the AQ call there was a lot in the pot, and it .. was a good call.

and KQs.. he's favorite PF. and thats where the money went in.

yea he got lucky.. but it wasn't anything absurd.

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you're an idiot.

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you're an idiot.

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Well thought out response!

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just logged onto stars.

every time i see somebody i know win i think, "i should get around to playing mtts." but then i look at the pay for the people that aren't in like the top 6, and forget about it until the next time it happens.

grats yet again.

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i know this goes without saying, but ...

anytime you're all-in and win you've gotten lucky -- even if your opponent is drawing dead, you've gotten lucky that he was in the hand at all. I don't care if it's KQ vs. 33 or AA vs. 27o.

In fact, let's do a little thought experiment. Let's say there are 3423 people in the tournament. You have to double up 11.74 times to win. Now, let's say 11.74 times you are dealt AA in this tournament, and each time you get all-in against 72o. You are 88.2% to win each hand. You are less than 23% to win this 11.74 times.

It goes without saying that anybody who wins any tournament has gotten lucky. This is poker. But that doesn't detract from a tournament full of great reads, great thinking, great decisions, and all around great play.

Great job, ZeeJustin.

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ZJ,

To what extent do you attribute a high protein diet to your success?

Nice work tonight!

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you're an idiot.

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Well thought out response!

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Only fair, for a well thought out argument

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ZJ,

To what extent do you attribute a high protein diet to your success?

Nice work tonight!

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I'm on that diet just so I can look good naked. It doesn't have much to do with poker.

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I like how ZJ (same age as me) won 137 thousand dollars while I've been spending the past 13 hours on some bs paper for some bs class. Craziness man...nicely done ZJ.

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you're an idiot.

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Well thought out response!

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But completely true. And I thought you were quitting the forums, again.

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WOW !! Nice play ZJ !!

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i know this goes without saying, but ...

anytime you're all-in and win you've gotten lucky -- even if your opponent is drawing dead, you've gotten lucky that he was in the hand at all. I don't care if it's KQ vs. 33 or AA vs. 27o.

In fact, let's do a little thought experiment. Let's say there are 3423 people in the tournament. You have to double up 11.74 times to win. Now, let's say 11.74 times you are dealt AA in this tournament, and each time you get all-in against 72o. You are 88.2% to win each hand. You are less than 23% to win this 11.74 times.

It goes without saying that anybody who wins any tournament has gotten lucky. This is poker. But that doesn't detract from a tournament full of great reads, great thinking, great decisions, and all around great play.

Great job, ZeeJustin.

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Well, in all fairness, one could argue that a great tournament player wouldn't be all-in for all of his chips that often, and instead, would generally be putting others all-in, so that it is not actually he who needs to get lucky by having his hand hold up multiple times, but others.

Also, great job ZJ!

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i know this goes without saying, but ...

anytime you're all-in and win you've gotten lucky -- even if your opponent is drawing dead, you've gotten lucky that he was in the hand at all. I don't care if it's KQ vs. 33 or AA vs. 27o.

In fact, let's do a little thought experiment. Let's say there are 3423 people in the tournament. You have to double up 11.74 times to win. Now, let's say 11.74 times you are dealt AA in this tournament, and each time you get all-in against 72o. You are 88.2% to win each hand. You are less than 23% to win this 11.74 times.

It goes without saying that anybody who wins any tournament has gotten lucky. This is poker. But that doesn't detract from a tournament full of great reads, great thinking, great decisions, and all around great play.

Great job, ZeeJustin.

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Well, in all fairness, one could argue that a great tournament player wouldn't be all-in for all of his chips that often, and instead, would generally be putting others all-in, so that it is not actually he who needs to get lucky by having his hand hold up multiple times, but others.

Also, great job ZJ!

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That was my point. Oh well. Everyone on here wants to argue with me so be it..

Im always wrong.. Im a losing fish.. Whatever.

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Well, in all fairness, one could argue that a great tournament player wouldn't be all-in for all of his chips that often, and instead, would generally be putting others all-in, so that it is not actually he who needs to get lucky by having his hand hold up multiple times, but others.

Also, great job ZJ!

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My example was oversimplified, sure, but I don't think the statement you made makes much logical difference.

(1) You had to acquire those chips somewhere if you have your opponents covered. At some point, you put your chips at jeopardy to get those extra chips.

(2) Let's say you more often put somebody else all-in for all their chips than you go all-in yourself. You can lose more of these and stay alive, but you also have to win more of these to continue accumulating. Lose one or two in a row, and suddenly it is you who is being put all-in.

I think it is generally agreed that the skill in poker involves pushing your edges. If you have an edge against somebody with half of your stack, or somebody who has you covered, a great tournament player pushes that edge, even for all of his chips.

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Well, in all fairness, one could argue that a great tournament player wouldn't be all-in for all of his chips that often, and instead, would generally be putting others all-in, so that it is not actually he who needs to get lucky by having his hand hold up multiple times, but others.

Also, great job ZJ!

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My example was oversimplified, sure, but I don't think the statement you made makes much logical difference.

(1) You had to acquire those chips somewhere if you have your opponents covered. At some point, you put your chips at jeopardy to get those extra chips.

(2) Let's say you more often put somebody else all-in for all their chips than you go all-in yourself. You can lose more of these and stay alive, but you also have to win more of these to continue accumulating. Lose one or two in a row, and suddenly it is you who is being put all-in.

I think it is generally agreed that the skill in poker involves pushing your edges. If you have an edge against somebody with half of your stack, or somebody who has you covered, a great tournament player pushes that edge, even for all of his chips.

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Edit: Actually he went all in with KQ preflop...

Still awful IMO to reraise and go all in with garbage like that.


What decent player does such a thing? Seriously.

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you are missing some of the key points where tournament and cash game strats vary.

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Real pro he is.. My ass he is just lucky.

First he sucks out with 77 dude has Top two pair.


777toome: raises 745936 to 865936 and is all-in
ZeeJustin: calls 528787 and is all-in
*** FLOP *** [Ah 9c Qh]
*** TURN *** [Ah 9c Qh] [7d]
*** RIVER *** [Ah 9c Qh 7d] [8h]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
ZeeJustin: shows [7h 7s] (three of a kind, Sevens)
777toome: shows [Qs As] (two pair, Aces and Queens)
ZeeJustin collected 1313574 from pot
Ozzy 87 said, "nh"

Then he calls with AQ on a dead flop and turn.

** RIVER *** [2s 8s 5c 9h] [6c]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
gibralter11: shows [Qd Td] (high card Queen)
ZeeJustin: shows [Qs Ac] (high card Ace)ZeeJustin: raises 80000 to 120000



And to top it off He calls with KQ on another dead flop and catches.

*** FLOP *** [2h 5h 2c]
*** TURN *** [2h 5h 2c] [Ks]
*** RIVER *** [2h 5h 2c Ks] [Th]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
zip9598: shows [3h 3c] (two pair, Threes and Deuces)
ZeeJustin: shows [Kc Qc] (two pair, Kings and Deuces)


Wow dude you are my idol... How this guy wins all the time I have no idea. By the hands I just put up you got lucky. You could have been busted on any one of them if you did not catch besides the one where the guy had Q10.

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this is hilarious... when i first read this post i assumed you were joking, because you presented the hands so inaccurately. but reading on, it looks like you were serious, and i feel obliged to point out (as have others) that you are either an idiot or a liar.

in the 77 hand, all of his opponents chips went in preflop with ZJ as a (slight) favorite.

in the AQ hand, he made a very difficult call w/ a-high against a bluffing player. this is a good thing...

in the KQ hand, once again, all of his opponents chips were in preflop, with ZJ as a (very slight) underdog.

its also worth mentioning that in none of these hands were all of ZJs chips at risk. thats why its right to play like this -- you have the liberty to accumulate because even if you lose the coinflip, you're still in the tournament. and guess what -- it worked.

its pretty funny that you have 1700 posts and still dont understand this.

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Real pro he is.. My ass he is just lucky.

First he sucks out with 77 dude has Top two pair.


777toome: raises 745936 to 865936 and is all-in
ZeeJustin: calls 528787 and is all-in
*** FLOP *** [Ah 9c Qh]
*** TURN *** [Ah 9c Qh] [7d]
*** RIVER *** [Ah 9c Qh 7d] [8h]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
ZeeJustin: shows [7h 7s] (three of a kind, Sevens)
777toome: shows [Qs As] (two pair, Aces and Queens)
ZeeJustin collected 1313574 from pot
Ozzy 87 said, "nh"

Then he calls with AQ on a dead flop and turn.

** RIVER *** [2s 8s 5c 9h] [6c]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
gibralter11: shows [Qd Td] (high card Queen)
ZeeJustin: shows [Qs Ac] (high card Ace)ZeeJustin: raises 80000 to 120000



And to top it off He calls with KQ on another dead flop and catches.

*** FLOP *** [2h 5h 2c]
*** TURN *** [2h 5h 2c] [Ks]
*** RIVER *** [2h 5h 2c Ks] [Th]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
zip9598: shows [3h 3c] (two pair, Threes and Deuces)
ZeeJustin: shows [Kc Qc] (two pair, Kings and Deuces)


Wow dude you are my idol... How this guy wins all the time I have no idea. By the hands I just put up you got lucky. You could have been busted on any one of them if you did not catch besides the one where the guy had Q10.

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this is hilarious... when i first read this post i assumed you were joking, because you presented the hands so inaccurately. but reading on, it looks like you were serious, and i feel obliged to point out (as have others) that you are either an idiot or a liar.

in the 77 hand, all of his opponents chips went in preflop with ZJ as a (slight) favorite.

in the AQ hand, he made a very difficult call w/ a-high against a bluffing player. this is a good thing...

in the KQ hand, once again, all of his opponents chips were in preflop, with ZJ as a (very slight) underdog.

its also worth mentioning that in none of these hands were all of ZJs chips at risk. thats why its right to play like this -- you have the liberty to accumulate because even if you lose the coinflip, you're still in the tournament. and guess what -- it worked.

its pretty funny that you have 1700 posts and still dont understand this.

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Understand what? I personally think it is [censored] stupid to go all in late in a tournament with KQ.

You don't agree? Ok thats fine.

But call me an idiot for posting an opinion that im sure others share?

Well that just makes you the one who is out of the loop.

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ts pretty funny that you have 1700 posts and still dont understand this.

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Yes I will stay tuned so I can learn how to play like a complete jackass.

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to be fair, i said you were either an idiot or a liar.

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gl at the tables buddy.

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to be fair, i said you were either an idiot or a liar.

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gl at the tables buddy.

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To be honest I only posted part of the hands. I did not go through every detail. However, I still think it is dumb to call an all in or go all in post flop with nothing, go all in with KQ and 77.

Only time I would ever go all in with such hands preflop would be when im the low stack.

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Wow.

This is the first troll job I've seen in the MTT forums.


If you are going to post a hand, post the entire hand. You are leaving out vital information that makes the plays viable.

You are also failing to realize the blinds/antes in relation to the stack sizes and how this varies many plays that are to be made.


In short,

tournament poker is very different than your cash games.

Realize how the plays can vary accordingly.

Also realize that he did not in fact win every time he pushed someone all in. You are only showing hands he won. why not show hands he lost? Or are we not looking at those?


This really doesn't surprise me, merely because of who it is comming from.

I for one watche ZJ from the time there were about 45 people left, and was very impressed. Sure he may have ran well, but anyone who wins a tournament with 3500 people has to run well somewhere.

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Wow.

This is the first troll job I've seen in the MTT forums.


If you are going to post a hand, post the entire hand. You are leaving out vital information that makes the plays viable.

You are also failing to realize the blinds/antes in relation to the stack sizes and how this varies many plays that are to be made.


In short,

tournament poker is very different than your cash games.

Realize how the plays can vary accordingly.

Also realize that he did not in fact win every time he pushed someone all in. You are only showing hands he won. why not show hands he lost? Or are we not looking at those?


This really doesn't surprise me, merely because of who it is comming from.

I for one watche ZJ from the time there were about 45 people left, and was very impressed. Sure he may have ran well, but anyone who wins a tournament with 3500 people has to run well somewhere.

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Read Above.. I said I did not post the entire hand...

Jesus im not always trolling ya know..

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Understand what? I personally think it is [censored] stupid to go all in late in a tournament with KQ.

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HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Ok, I didn't want to contribute to this trolljob, but I feel like I need to explain that I open raised in the SB, and my opponent pushed. It was HU. My opponent happened to have AQ, a strong hand, but he could have just as easily had A2, 22, or even 56s. Things change when its blind vs blind. Come on Gabbbbbbbbbby, you should have learned this at the $10 tables.

Edit: Also, the stack sizes were very small, increasing both my pot odds, and the size of my opponents hand range.

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My opponent happened to have AQ, a strong hand, but he could have just as easily had A2, 22, or even 56s

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This statement says it all.

Who exactly do you think you are playing late in a tournament like this? A bunch of morons? You really think people are going to be going all in with A2 and 56? Perhaps idiots like you go all in with A2 and 56. Which now that I think about it, you probably do. Otherwise why would you even be thinking this?

I know right know you probably think you are jesus christ because you won a tournament. I think you are far from it. In fact you are just another lucky tool who plays online poker while riding the coattails of his parents. Give me 5 grand and I will enter every high dollar internet tournament. I am sure sooner or later I will cash. Your placing in two tournaments means nothing.

You are like that clown moneymaker and that Austrailian suckout artist who won this year. Just another lucky 20 something punk who thinks he is the best player since Doyle Brunson.

You have a lot to learn son.

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Wow Gabby. Just wow. I'm sorry my VPIP is higher than the 7% that you recommend, but I've had a bit of success playing my way, so I'll stick with it and apparently I'm gonna learn the hard way that I'm just another tool riding an upswing.

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gabby is right, zj is dead money.

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You have a lot to learn son.

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I wanna seminar in stupidity!!

Edit:(after reading through again)..... he's serious, omfg lol.

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you would think im a huge idiot

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I've decided that your $250,000 in tournament winnings in the past, what, 2 months, means that you are the worst poker player ever. Everyone is free to disagree with me. I will only continue my rantings about how lucky you are. You and Moneymaker and Raymer and Hachem and Harrington (he only won 1 WSOP ME, you've got to win at least 2 to be good) are all just luckboxes. Meanwhile, I'm going to go back to donating to the $10+1 SNGs and complaining about how unlucky I am.

Will

P.S. You should give me $5000 to enter expensive tournaments that I will win because I'm so much better than you.

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I can't tell if you are just doing this because you want to be able to say you made fun of ZeeJustin, or is it because you are an idiot? Do you know what a bluff is? Do you know what pot odds are? Do you know what it means to have a read on a player? Are you 10 years old?

Without a doubt, the more posts you have made in this thread, the more you have CLEARLY shown just how little you know about poker in general, but especially how little you understand about tournament poker.

Prime example: That you think 77 vs AQ is a suckout just because he had to hit the 7 on the turn. The order of the cards is meaningless if the money went in preflop. People keep saying that you say you are leaving this forum, and apparently you are one of those "online poker is rigged" tools. After reading this post, I can say that nothing would make me happier than if you left.

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Just a quick note:

If you want to discuss the merits of several hands from this tournament, that's fine.

If you want to discuss whether gabyyyyyyy is bipolar, is right that ZJ got lucky, or whether ZeeJustin looks good naked because of his protein diet, go to OOT.

I'm locking this thread, but feel free to discuss the hands, because there is some merit to the discussion IMHO.