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Are you aware that most top athletes (specifically wrt individual sports like tennis, gymnastics, running, etc.) have coaches who they often swear by, but are nowhere near as good at the sport as the athlete who hires them?

Also, you ignored my comment re: financial advisors. Many very wealthy and successful people have financial advisors. Almost all of these advisors have far less money than their clients.

The top actors in the world often have acting coaches who they consider to be invaluable resources. Yet, these acting coaches are rarely considered to be top actors.

All of these people pay huge money to their coaches/advisors.

Were you aware of these facts?

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The financial advisor may be true, but it wouldn't be based on networth but average return, and if there results were lower it would need to be due to bad luck.

Would you hire a chess coach that you could beat regularly?

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If memory serves me correctly, Garry Kasparov who has a FIDE rating of something like 2812 and is one of the best chess players who has ever lived has been coached since 1995 by Yuri Dokhoian, a guy rated in the high 2500s. Kasparov can regularly beat Dokhoian easily, but still has kept him on as a coach. So, yes, if I were a top competitive chess player, I definitely might hire a coach I could beat regularly.

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Are you aware that most top athletes (specifically wrt individual sports like tennis, gymnastics, running, etc.) have coaches who they often swear by, but are nowhere near as good at the sport as the athlete who hires them?

Also, you ignored my comment re: financial advisors. Many very wealthy and successful people have financial advisors. Almost all of these advisors have far less money than their clients.

The top actors in the world often have acting coaches who they consider to be invaluable resources. Yet, these acting coaches are rarely considered to be top actors.

All of these people pay huge money to their coaches/advisors.

Were you aware of these facts?

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The financial advisor may be true, but it wouldn't be based on networth but average return, and if there results were lower it would need to be due to bad luck.

Would you hire a chess coach that you could beat regularly?

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If memory serves me correctly, Garry Kasparov who has a FIDE rating of something like 2812 and is one of the best chess players who has ever lived has been coached since 1995 by Yuri Dokhoian, a guy rated in the high 2500s. Kasparov can regularly beat Dokhoian easily, but still has kept him on as a coach. So, yes, if I were a top competitive chess player, I definitely might hire a coach I could beat regularly.

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Did you really just know all of that or did you see Rory's post above?

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Alex: Would you hire a chess coach that you could beat regularly?

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Rory: Kasparov says yes

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Alex: I don't think this qualifies really for a lot of itangible reasons.

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The type of coaching he gives is different than technical coaching, it's not like Kasparov is asking for technical advice on how to play XX during YY.

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Funny, that's my exact impression of what Tommy is offering. His website is tiltless.com, not howtoplayAKsfromthebigblindafterthreepeoplelimp.co m.

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Even the best chess player in the world is not perfect, or even better than all other players, at all aspects of the game. There is no reason why he shouldn't hire someone who complements his style, and can help fill in the gaps. That person need not be as good at competitive over-the-board chess, where there are a lot of non-chess factors that can affect a player's results, like handling pressure, time management, etc. The best player is not necessarily the best analyst.

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I don't get why I'm being misunderstood. I said that the ability to play the game well is a pre-req to be a good coach in games where ability is not limited or increased much by genetics or health. If you are better than someone in a game like that then a coach you hire isn't going to be that effective unless he coaches on you the non-technical side of the game (Tilt, focus, discipline, keeping to a training regime, etc).

If the ability to do well in a game is based solely on knowledge then there is no reason why someone you can beat should coach you unlessthere are aspects of the game he is better at. IF he is better at those aspects then there is also no reason why that couldn't be shown.


There are plenty of valid reasons to hire a coach. I just think that in games based on knowledge if you are better than the coach then his services better be tailored to the outside and mental aspects of the game. Looking at TA's website this appears to be the major focus of his coaching package which is why it's probably why it's effective for everybody, even players he doesn't play much better than they do.

Do you think TA would have much to teach someone on blind defense theory if the person he was coaching did much better than him in that regard vs the same players over a significant sample size?

I'm going to admit I'm probably completely wrong on the chess example as it relates to Kasparov, but if a player worse than yourself can coach you well in that game then I'm offering my technical coaching servies in chess or any other game I'm bad at. I'll wait for my PM box to explode.

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Nice reply... I'm actually from fargo originally.. and totally agree...

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Better question.... Do any of the players that play in the "Big Game" use coaches? Have they ever used coaches?

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I guess i will take that as a compliment!

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Garry Kasparov: FIDE rating 2812, possibly the best chess player who has ever lived.

Yuri Dokhoian: FIDE rating: 2580. Weak, completely unknown GM.

Dokhoian has been Kasparov's coach since 1995. Not too many people know that because he is content to make his living and spend his life helping Kasparov win. He is also much younger than Kasparov.

Here is a picture of them. It says a lot.

http://www.chesscenter.com/twic/even.../007gkyuri.jpg

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Also, many people might be surprised to learn that Kasparov's coach played Corky on the early nineties TV drama "Life Goes On."

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I'm actually from fargo originally

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Even the people from South Dakota laugh at the people from North DakOOOta.

People hire coaches, advisors, consultants all the time. I hired a few in my business days and was never convinced that any of them were smarter, as good at business in general, or had more $$ than me.

To use an analogy, it's sort of like looking into a dirty or warped mirror, we don't always see what is, just what we think is. These kinds of folks, if they are any good, clean up and repair the mirror and stand next to us as we look in it and help us to see clearly what is, perhaps in their particular area of expertise. It's usually up to us to figure out what to do when we can finally see clearly.

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beautiful post barry

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I do agree that they are worthless most of the time.. and wouldn't be "consulting" if they actually knew what they were doing.. People who "teach" generally don't know how to "do".

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I'm not sure what you're agreeing with, since you apparently didn't understand anything that Barry just wrote.

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I do agree that they are worthless most of the time.. and wouldn't be "consulting" if they actually knew what they were doing.. People who "teach" generally don't know how to "do".

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-James

Re: Should BK hire Tommy Angelo?
 

Would someone please stand up on the ost that has actually used and paid a significant amount of money for a cpoker coach...?

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You mean aside from Barry who already did?

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Was Barry's post written in a language that I unknowingly understand?

He didn't hire a poker coach, and while his post is excellent it's not the testimonial that the Dairy Queen King is looking for.

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Jezz, don't you read the thread?

I spent and paid for 2 days with Tommy a few years back and I got a lot out of it in many areas.

But as I was trying to say above, which apparently went right over your head, is what you get out of it, is what you put into it during and after.

One tidbit-

Our first encounter was playing in a 20 game with him and Clarkmiester.

Every now and again after some action of mine, whether it being a betting decision or something else, Tommy would take a note. I knew that I was going to hear about it the next day. I did, and he was helping me to see what was in the mirror.

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People who "teach" generally don't know how to "do".

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What? This is what you've come to after all the replies in this thread?

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You obviously didn't wade through the entire idiocy of this thread. Barry said it in a different post in response to the first time this dude asked this same question.

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I did, and he was helping me to see what was in the mirror.

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That's what the best consultants do, after all.

Barron Vangor Toth
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Ahh... well then. Color me wrong.

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Funny, that's my exact impression of what Tommy is offering. His website is tiltless.com, not howtoplayAKsfromthebigblindafterthreepeoplelimp.co m.

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Actually, I believe it's only tiltless.com because howtoplayAKsfromthebigblindafterthreepeoplelimp.co m was already taken.

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I did, and he was helping me to see what was in the mirror.

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That's what the best consultants do, after all.

Barron Vangor Toth
BarronVangorToth.com

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Spam much?

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I did, and he was helping me to see what was in the mirror.

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That's what the best consultants do, after all.

Barron Vangor Toth
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Is that page serious? I saw that on your site, I thought it was a joke. You really do business consulting?

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I'm pretty sure it's a joke.

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I'm pretty sure it's a joke.

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Thats a pretty elaborate and not funny joke...

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Thats a pretty elaborate and not funny joke...

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Those are the best kind.

What makes matters worse is that we have actually gotten work from it.

But none of this has to do with the topic at hand, so my apologies for the hijack.

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Thats a pretty elaborate and not funny joke...

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Those are the best kind.

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i agree.

example: big joke

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Thats a pretty elaborate and not funny joke...

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Those are the best kind.

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i agree.

example: big joke

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I [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] daryn.

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i agree.

example: big joke

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FYL.

Check, meet mate.

Barron Vangor Toth
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i agree.

example: big joke

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FYL.

Check, meet mate.

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i'm not surprised you also claim victory here, in the face of defeat. let's do a quick poll on which joke was funnier. we'll bet up to $100,000.

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i'm not surprised you also claim victory here, in the face of defeat. let's do a quick poll on which joke was funnier. we'll bet up to $100,000.

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Why so little?

Alas, since you named the stakes, I will name the group to be polled (sans me, natch).

Barron Vangor Toth
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i'm not surprised you also claim victory here, in the face of defeat. let's do a quick poll on which joke was funnier. we'll bet up to $100,000.

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Why so little?

Alas, since you named the stakes, I will name the group to be polled (sans me, natch).

Barron Vangor Toth
BarronVangorToth.com

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sorry, voter IQ must surpass 75

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sorry, voter IQ must surpass 75

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With the exception of my dog, who hasn't been tested (yet), I will assume that the bet is on IF I provide documentation of everyone else I listed being 76 or higher.

Shall we exchange contact info in PM so that we can find a mutually agreeable escrow company while you wait verification of said scores?

Barron Vangor Toth
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sorry, voter IQ must surpass 75

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With the exception of my dog, who hasn't been tested (yet), I will assume that the bet is on IF I provide documentation of everyone else I listed being 76 or higher.

Shall we exchange contact info in PM so that we can find a mutually agreeable escrow company while you wait verification of said scores?

Barron Vangor Toth
BarronVangorToth.com

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talk about elaborate jokes taht are unfunny...

seriously, daryns post was hilarious, yours was stupid. now you are just carrying it on way too long. i cant say im surprised though based on taht oterh thread.

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you are just carrying it on way too long.

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I thought he was making a legitimate wager.

I see that he has employed you in order to bow out (un)gracefully. I will accept it as such.

Moving on.

Barron Vangor Toth
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you are just carrying it on way too long.

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I thought he was making a legitimate wager.

I see that he has employed you in order to bow out (un)gracefully. I will accept it as such.

Moving on.



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You're gonna get hit and run on!