Re: First time I thought about laying down Kings preflop
 

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Ilya, are you quasi?

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Hehe, no. I've played probably 20-30 games with him though.

Re: First time I thought about laying down Kings preflop
 

I would have been surprised. I've never noticed Ilya posting about his 14 hr runs 38439084309 tabling.

Re: First time I thought about laying down Kings preflop
 

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It's fine to think this, but it's probably a bad idea to actually fold. It could just as easily be QQ.

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I'm bored tonight and pissed off due to my own mental lapse so I'm gonna flame somebody and it may as well be you (sorry):

No, it can't be QQ. What good player does this near minimum pot odds reraise crap with QQ? Give me a break.

It miiiiight be AK (I've seen it played this way as sort of a semibluff) or little to nothing if he decided he wanted 85 chips. (I'm not saying there's a good chance of that, I'm saying it's theoretically possible.) But it's not QQ unless he misclicked.

I'm probably not folding this, BTW.

edit: 99? 99??? Come ON, he's number 4 on the leaderboard and you think he makes an 85 chip bet 200 with 99?

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hand I Just played w/ quasifiction hes the SB, I guess QQ is in his range

PartyPoker - NL Texas Hold'em $30 Buy-in + $3 Entry Fee Tournament | Level: 2 - 9 players (Converter: PGC)

Chip Counts:
Button: 665 Chips
SB: 830 Chips
BB: 885 Chips
<font color="red">Hero: 775 Chips</font>
UTG+1: 650 Chips
MP1: 390 Chips
MP2: 1070 Chips
MP3: 1715 Chips
CO: 1020 Chips

Hero is UTG with T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
Blinds are 15/30

PreFlop
<font color="blue">Hero folds</font>, <font color="green">UTG+1 Calls</font>, <font color="red">MP1 RAISES ($60)</font>, <font color="green">MP2 Calls</font>, <font color="blue">MP3 folds</font>, <font color="blue">CO folds</font>, <font color="blue">Button folds</font>
<font color="red">SB RAISES ($135)</font>, <font color="blue">BB folds</font>, <font color="green">UTG+1 Calls</font>, <font color="green">MP1 Calls</font>, <font color="green">MP2 Calls</font>

(4 players) FLOP: 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] ( Pot Size: 630 Chips )
<font color="red">SB BETS ($400)</font>, <font color="blue">UTG+1 folds</font>, MP1 is All-In, <font color="red">MP2 RAISES ($800)</font>
SB is All-In

(3 players) TURN: J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] ( Pot Size: 2350 Chips )


(3 players) RIVER: K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] ( Pot Size: 2350 Chips )


Final Pot:2350 Chips

edthirtynine shows [ 6c, 6s ] a flush, king high.
QuasiFiction shows [ Qd, Qh ] a pair of queens.
diamond522 shows [ Ad, 7s ] a flush, king high.

Re: First time I thought about laying down Kings preflop
 

lol...see, this is why you should never put '$22' and 'good' in the same sentence. I stand corrected.

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lol...see, this is why you should never put '$22' and 'good' in the same sentence. I stand corrected.

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I take back what I just said, I misread. This was obviously a terribly played hand.

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I would have been surprised. I've never noticed Ilya posting about his 14 hr runs 38439084309 tabling.

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Just wait.

Re: First time I thought about laying down Kings preflop
 

Here's another "it's gotta be Aces" hand I had tonight - I would have folded except I have a rule where I don't fold KK preflop (absent some extreme circumstance that I have not encounted yet in &gt; 15,000 SNGs).

***** Hand History for Game 3207908336 *****
NL Texas Hold'em $200 Buy-in + $15 Entry Fee Trny:18313878 Level:2 Blinds(15/30) - Thursday, December 15, 22:02:37 EDT 2005
Table Table 66906 (Real Money)
Seat 1 is the button
Total number of players : 9
Seat 1: Well_Sh_t ( $900 )
Seat 2: NutsStayNuts ( $1245 )
Seat 3: Hero ( $900 )
Seat 4: jh9477 ( $1065 )
Seat 5: shadyrooroo ( $935 )
Seat 7: Phish_Stix ( $2080 )
Seat 8: doeson888 ( $1205 )
Seat 9: wildman22222 ( $1105 )
Seat 10: poffic ( $565 )
Trny:18313878 Level:2
Blinds(15/30)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Hero [ Kd Kh ]
jh9477 raises [60].
shadyrooroo folds.
Phish_Stix folds.
doeson888 calls [60].
wildman22222 folds.
poffic raises [300].
Well_Sh_t folds.
NutsStayNuts raises [550].
Hero is all-In [870]
poffic: uups
jh9477 folds.
doeson888 folds.
poffic is all-In [265]
NutsStayNuts: i must have a 2 outer
NutsStayNuts calls [335].
** Dealing Flop ** [ 9h, 5h, 6h ]
** Dealing Turn ** [ 6s ]
** Dealing River ** [ 3h ]
NutsStayNuts shows [ Qd, Qc ] two pairs, queens and sixes.
Hero shows [ Kd, Kh ] a flush, king high.
poffic shows [ Ah, Kc ] a flush, ace high.
Hero wins 670 chips from side pot #1 with a flush, king high.
poffic wins 1815 chips from the main pot with a flush, ace high with ace kicker.

Re: First time I thought about laying down Kings preflop
 

Gramps what if I knwe that YOU were nutsstaynuts....i mean youd basically have to have exactly AA. If you knew that was me, would you still thnik it makes sense to follow your rule?

Re: First time I thought about laying down Kings preflop
 

gramps,

This will be your downfall in the first round of the STTFHUC. Your KK will finally run into my obv AA and you will go home crying like a little baby.

Yugoslav

Re: First time I thought about laying down Kings preflop
 

It's more just a thing that I play 8+ tables at once. I don't have time to do the analysis to make a fancy fold, and I see so much crap in Level 1&amp;2 at even the 215s, that I just go down swinging with my KK. If you do that every time (go to war PF with KK), I doubt you'll even make one mistake per 1,000 SNGs played.