Re: Could this top the AJ hand?? who knows..
 

I agree about the AQ in question. I was just trying to figure out what pairs you'd call with in this situation.

SGA simulations with different stack sizes
 

Playing with this in SGA. Clear fold as presented. -2.9% worse than folding. And this is assuming he's pushing any two ("*" in SGA). Very counter-intuitive, but it's all about chip positions. Here's how it shakes out if we mix stack sizes up a bit.

Original situation:
BB 815
SB 1725 (hero dealt AQo)
Btn 1360 (folds)
UTG 6100 (all-in, he raises lower in example, but all are PC anyway)

AQo = -2.9%

Very clear fold.

Small stacks equal
BB 1300
SB 1300
Btn 1300
UTG 6100

AQo = -0.2%

Closer, but still a fold!

You are small stack by a hair
BB 1350
SB 1250
Btn 1300
UTG 6100

AQo = +0.1%

Still very marginal to call.

You're the small stack by bigger margin
BB 1500
SB 1100
Btn 1300
UTG 6100

AQo = +1.0%

A call.

Someone please confirm my #s are ok.

Re: SGA simulations with different stack sizes
 

I dunno, they sound about right. The AQo hand is just very obvious to anyone who's done any studying on these bubble situations. AQo is just not a good enough hand in this spot.

btw in this situation I think it's very clear that a lot of pairs are easy folds too because you wouldn't expect UTG to raise any 2 here. I think its fairly obvious that he's not going to raise with 74o when the shortstack is in the BB. You want the shortstack to be the button or the SB to do such things, thus UTG's range should not be nearly as loose as people are suggesting.

Re: SGA simulations with different stack sizes
 

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you wouldn't expect UTG to raise any 2 here.


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I agree in the specific situation, but I wanted to show how powerful having the big stick is in these situations and how liberal you can be when you have 60% of the chips and what you need to call even when you know he's pushing around with lesser quality cards.

Re: Could this top the AJ hand?? who knows..
 

Villain has raised every hand and often all-in. I doubled up when I re-raised all in with KK and he called with A6.

Even bad players catch hands and have the board help them.

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t50 (4 handed) converter

UTG (t4105)
Button (t1365)
SB (t1205)
Hero (t1325)

Preflop: Hero is BB with A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
<font color="#CC3333">UTG raises to t250</font>, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, Hero calls [t1325] t50, UTG calls t1075.

Flop: (t2700) 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>

Turn: (t2700) 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>

River: (t2700) 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>

Final Pot: t2700

Results in white below:
Hero has Ac Kd (high card, ace).
UTG has Js Jc (one pair, jacks).
Outcome: UTG wins t2700.

Re: Could this top the AJ hand?? who knows..
 

I hope you folded this...

Luminous

Re: Could this top the AJ hand?? who knows..
 

This is much much different because there is folding equity.

Re: Could this top the AJ hand?? who knows..
 

Yes, and no real short stack.

Re: Could this top the AJ hand?? who knows..
 

ok, for the record.. i did fold, and i thought it wasnt all that close. AKs i have a hard time folding, though i would still be tempted. JJ i would probably fold as well here. i dont think utg is pushing any 2, as he will get a call out of the BB a LOT of times and its not worth dumping 1k chips. put him at WORST on top 40% of hands. thats mho. QQ though i cant consider folding. just too strong of a hand, but AQo i have no problem laying down here. thought this would be an interesting hand to post up. hope yall learned something at all from the discussion, and i think there could still be a bit more left. holla