Re: What I thought was a great flop became a difficult flop decision
 

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Fold. Live to fight another day.
"The better part of valor is discretion", Shakespeare.

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There are always better spots when you don't have the nuts. We are trying to figure out if this is a +EV spot, even if it is marginal. Look at the numbers and look at what we fear. Hand ranges and numbers have also been posted. Factor in the money already in the pot. Its close.

Also, "live to fight another day" = pass up on +EV spots in cash games if they are marginal? No, ill take my marginal +EV spots along with my not-so-marginal ones, thank you [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img] (Not claiming this is +EV as I said in my original post, thats what this debate was trying to figure out, I'm saying its close)

Re: What I thought was a great flop became a difficult flop decision
 

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I have no idea how to proceed, I'm new to the table.

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ Hero (6 max, 6 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx

UTG ($148.19)
MP ($93.50)
CO ($77.70)
Button ($49.10)
SB ($85.15)
Hero ($102.40)

Preflop: Hero is BB with J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]. SB posts a blind of $0.50.
<font color="#CC3333">UTG raises to $2</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, CO calls $2, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, SB (poster) calls $1.50, Hero calls $1.

Flop: ($8) 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
SB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $6</font>, UTG calls $6, <font color="#CC3333">CO raises to $20</font>, SB folds, <font color="#CC3333">Hero ???</font>

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Yuck.

I hate having a pretty good made hand (TP) and a pretty good draw (weak flush) vs 2 opponents.

Bad position + Bad position relative to the reraiser.
Pushing will solve all these positon problems in the later rounds but that isn't enough by itself.

I am tempted to hold my nose and call the $14 reraise.




Getting more dead money in with a call.

I'm not expecting a limp re-raise from the preflop bettor (UTG).
If a dead money UTG re-limps you'll have better pot odds for your draw.

I'm looking at winning the $40 in the pot, plus another $55 behind that the CO has. Plus the potential $14 from the UTG.

CO has either a better draw AXs or a better made hand TT. Just call and see what the turn is and what the UTG does.
Most people who flop a set at this level tend to just call with them not try to push out "customers".

I don't want to play a big pot with a weak flush or a TPWK hand.

Is my thinking correct???

derick