Re: Devastating 30 BB hand
 

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Folding the winner here did not really cost you 30BB - more like 0.5BB.

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Isn't it more like calling with a loser costs you 1BB while folding a winner costs you 30BB?

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No!

I think I'm going to make a longer post about this because it's an idea that a lot of people miss out on... Look for that.

Re: Devastating 30 BB hand
 

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Look forward to that.

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Your posts are always extremely helpful.

Re: Devastating 30 BB hand
 

Folding a winner only costs you 30BB if you would always win the pot by calling. In the actual hand, yes a bad call costs us 1BB and a bad fold costs us the pot. However, that is results-oriented thinking. We need to think of how often we are good when we call here in this type of situation (or better put, what the chances are of having the best hand). If that weren't so, you should always call in any pot bigger than 1BB if there is a chance your hand is best, since calling can only cost you 1BB but folding would cost you more. The % you are good is highly determinative of how big a mistake this is (along with the pot size).

Edit: I should say that if we are behind on an actual hand, that would be the result. I didnt't look/reread the hand in question before posting so I don't know if he won/lost. But even if you do lose this hand, folding is only a 30BB mistake if you would always be ahead. If the OP is considering folding, the odds are probably considerably lower.

Re: Devastating 30 BB hand
 

Hi MagicFlea,

I think your turn raise is pretty awful. I think you should try to think about what purpose it serves, and what the benefits and disadvantages to it are. I think if you try to come up with some ballpark hand ranges for SB and BB, not to mention the other players, that you will realize it is a losing play compared to calling by a pretty large margin (folding may be even better).

Good luck,
einbert

P.S. Don't call the river. If you folded the best hand then you need to make quite a few notes on these players, but regardless of the results of this hand calling is a pretty substantial loser compared to folding.

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Look forward to that.

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Your posts are always extremely helpful.

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