Re: Can someone who is 30/20 post a starting hand chart?
 

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I play the starting hand chart pretty much and I'm 24/15

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I play the same chart and I'm 20/15, weird. I'm not trying to get to 30/20, just add a few more hands or so that can be profitable. I don't raise JTs utg but I do it from MP

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filtered 5-6 handed i am 27/19 preflop. throw in 4 handed and i am 30/22. i can make a chart but im pretty sure some of the hands i play are so marginal that i make very little money off of them.

Re: Can someone who is 30/20 post a starting hand chart?
 

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i can make a chart

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Please do [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img].

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filtered 5-6 players I am 28.28/20.28. You really don't need a chart. As you become more familiar you will recognize the opponents you should be raising more hands against. Down to 4-6 I am 29.30/21.28.
2-6 I am...
BB 37.16/14.77
SB 39.98/21.59
Button 29.71/28.84
1 26.41/25.51
2 18.00/17.74
3 18.10/18.10

This is just this months stats, not over 20k hands at 10/20, but this is quite similar to my overall stats.

Re: Can someone who is 30/20 post a starting hand chart?
 

Jeff,

Your button stats interest me. Lord knows I like playing the button. Lately I have been overlimping on the button with speculative hands (J9o sometimes - eek!) when one or two bad players are in, just because I like playing these guys in position.

It looks to me as if, in the same situation, you almost always raise if you're going to play.

How does this affect the rest of the hand? Do you take freebies on the flop much? Or tend to bet the flop?

Guy.

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How does this affect the rest of the hand? Do you take freebies on the flop much? Or tend to bet the flop?

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FWIW, Justin A sweated me for a session and commented on how often I check behind on the flop after raising pre flop.

You're right, I don't limp much pre flop, but I play in tough games where there are almost never multiple limpers. I also never limp behind 1 limper w/ speculative hands like 44 and T9s. If I play them, I raise.

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BB: 40.3/11.4


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Wow, that one seems suprising to me. I am 22/12 there. Does that mean I don't defend nearly enough, or that you are just that much better and defend twice as much?

Also, my PT stats by position show 4 and 5 off the button, which I am confused by, since I only play 6-max. It follows the decreasing hand count/VPIP/PRF just as all my other off the button stats do...

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ive loosened up a ton lately. here is my stats my last 25k filtered for 4-6.

button 29/17
co 24/24
mp 18/18
utg 16/16
bb 27/8
sb 30/20

edit: totals are 26/20

Re: Can someone who is 30/20 post a starting hand chart?
 

Not surprisingly, I agree with everything victor said in this post.

Seriously, raising A2s after a limper in MP? Ewww...

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- stop limping almost completely
- play lots of hands on the button
- steal a lot
- make some loose calls in the blinds

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This is the "formula" if you will. There is no way to make a starting hand chart for a good 30/20 player, because there are some hands that he will play in some of the time in a given position depending on game conditions but not in other times when those specific conditions aren't present any more.

Example: It is folded to me on the button and I see J [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 5 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]. I will fold this hand if the blinds' defending standards are loose or average, but if the blinds are tight and/or very weak postflop, then I'll open with this hand.

So it would be very foolish to add J5s as a hand to open-raise with on the button (because it's a losing play against a lot of opponents), but I probably open it 10-20% of the time in this situation because of game conditions.

Hope that is a helpful example.

PS - In truth, I am really just a weak 26/17 player. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] But part of the reason for that is that I seek out LAGgier overaggressive games, and it is generally correct to have tighter open-raising standards in such games. So I make plays like the one in the example less often (because the appropriate condition to make them happens less often). But I call with J5s more often in the BB against a LAGgy raiser than a tight raiser, all else being equal.