Re: Is this a value bet?
 

I haven't read the other responses but I don't see how this couldn't be a value bet. Don't be a pussy [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

Ryan

Re: Is this a value bet?
 

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What about the times they have 33 and 55? Or A2 and K4? Or 54 and 32? Or Q2 and Q3?

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I understand. I'm just saying you have to look to find 2 combinations which no one has. If you take your average top 50% of hands, this flop hits almost all of them in some manner.

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I strongly considered checking and against most people I would.

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I don't get this then.
Against most people you check behind.
But, against a weird tricky player, you bet.
You had a rock solid read. Why not use it.

Re: Is this a value bet?
 

This guy was very loose. He would look me up with any pair here.

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Are you kdiding me? I've played every stakes from 1cent/2cent to 5/10NL and I've run into maybe 2 or 3 players TOTAL who are capable of checkraising the river on a bluff bcause the value bet looks weak.

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How do you know they aren't bluffing if you bet and fold to the raise on the river? just curious.

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I know a handful of people of bluff-raise the river with some frequency and I"m curious how you know this. in other words, bump.

Re: Is this a value bet?
 

You can't value bet as weakly against those people. But that's okay, because you'll make up for the value lost on your marginal hands by the extra value you'll gain on your monsters when they bluff check/raise into them. Also, depending on the action during the hand, it may not make sense for them to have a strong hand and you may be able to snap off a bluff check/raise even with a marginal holding. soah posted a hand a while ago which was like that. He got check/raised big on the river with one pair and the action just made no sense. I am and some other posters all pointed out as much and said that we would call. In the actual hand, he called and won. It was a few months ago, so I'm not sure how easy it would be to find, but it was definitely an interesting hand with some good discussion. It was from a live game, and he had posted several in a row from live action while he was in vegas or AC or something, if that helps someone dig it up...