Re: how much $
 

also, i dont expect pfr to have anything here ever. If he had called or riased I wouldv'e been shocked.

Re: how much $
 

The problem with check/raising the turn, is he's checking behind with some Qs here too. You lose a lot of value.

I think with no reads, flawless's line is the best, with reads and a better table feel, you obviously go with a different line/or the same one based on all the other variables.

results
 

i bet 500, villain calls with KQ.

Maybe coulda got more, maybe not.

Re: results
 

Little late, but I like ~750

Re: how much $
 

If OP is so positive that a flatcall here on a dry board will lead to a small pot anyway

Maybe, but with that call there's over $400 in the pot, 20% of a buy-in, and that's before the PFR has a chance to react to the bet. I dunno that I consider that a small pot on a flop with some action.

The board's dry, yeah, but I think it makes more sense to lead or to try to take the pot down on the spot, with folding being another possible option. This is why I hate hands like Q9s OOP against a PFR.

plus, pfr is a little liberal, it's a minraised pot.

Yeah but it's still raised and getting to be a big-ish pot. It's five handed...if you think your hand's good oop, I think you've gotta bet this out.

Check call the flop is the least attractive option for me.

also, i dont expect pfr to have anything here ever. If he had called or riased I wouldv'e been shocked.

Is this because he checked and MP bet? If not, when did you know? If you knew (or strongly suspected) before you checked, why didn't you bet the flop?

Were you planning on betting the turn regardless of what came?

Just curious...

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Re: how much $
 

I knew he had nothing when he checked.

What I did on the turn wouldv'e depended on the turn card, but a lot of times I wouldv'e made a smaller bet or check and reevaluted given the villain's turn action.

Re: how much $
 

I knew he had nothing when he checked.

Okay, in that case the flat call makes more sense. But if that's the case, FWIW, I'm betting that turn no matter what falls.

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