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the only way he gets this message across is if the guy has K high.

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what about J high? or 2 hearts? or a straight draw? or the plethora of other hands he might bluff raise on a raggy board?

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people will bluff their draws headsup because that's what they do. it'll have the same impact if he calls down with a pair of threes

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I'm not a fan either. I think this 3-bet should only be made if the other guy could be making a free showdown play, or if he'll fold a better hand to it. Neither seems likely at all, so I reckon a call down is superior.

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the only way he gets this message across is if the guy has K high.

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what about J high? or 2 hearts? or a straight draw? or the plethora of other hands he might bluff raise on a raggy board?

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people will bluff their draws headsup because that's what they do. it'll have the same impact if he calls down with a pair of threes

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yes, this is a good point. against a tighter player who i didnt think would bluff his draw on the end after i called his turn raise this play might be better.


so i think it's more of a calldown than i thought.

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sthief arrives and brings sanity.

this board has been crazy aggro lately.

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you just think that cause you're weak-tight victor

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gawd i knew that was comin.

edit: i mean, heads up right now. 1k/2k.

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sure, what site?

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man i don't know. i would have hated it if he bet the river. but since he didn't the hand is more of a "don't [censored] with me" type deal. i think regardless of whether or not you win this has positive metagame effects.

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this is what really doesn't make sense to me. if he's calling the turn 3-bet with A high he'll probably call the river too. you're probably not getting raised by a worse hand since he didn't cap,

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if he calls the turn threebet with Ahigh, he prob has a gutshot, flush draw or two overs and is looking to improve...
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and the chances that he pays off with a worse hand have got to be greater than the chances that he checks a worse one.

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i assume you meant "bet a worse one," in which case i totally disagree... i threebet the turn, checkcall the river way more than you, and i see bluff here all the time. i mean ALOT.
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all these lead to required bet given a called turn 3-bet. I don't understand at all unless you really expect him to check through with a better hand. maybe I'm underestimating the times he checks through with a better hand.

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i think he checks behind athe majority of the time he has me beat.

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and the "don't [censored] with me" part is bs. if he has a better hand the OP looks like an idiot. the only way he gets this message across is if the guy has K high. I guess maybe that's why you like to check, to show down the 3s. I don't buy it

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bs? you are nuts! this guy is directly to my left in a 4handed game... i dont want him (or anyone else) abusing me on the turn for the whole session... dont eff w/ me is right!


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also he's ahead here at least 50% of the time and he won't be capped on the turn without a monster.

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but he's still out of position. I guess you're getting 3 when ahead and 4 when behind instead of 2 when ahead and 3 when behind so it's ok. but also, if he's bluffing, you lose out on a bet in exchange for him folding 6 outs. then also he said he'll call a cap, then then I assume subsequently the river since how often do people cap for a free showdown.

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totally disagree. in fact i think it the opposite an awful lot of the time.

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the cap preflop is really marginal and possibly bad "in a vacuum" because it inflates the pot but once again we aren't in a vacuum even in party 20, especially 4 handed.

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he has 33. he's against pairs and overcards. he's either 50/50 or a huge underdog. I think it's way worse than marginal because of the other reasons I gave.

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i agree its marginal, but i dont need this guy threebetting every round. theres is a good chance taking the initiative and fourbetting will cause him to fold the best hand, or a hand w/ plenty of outs to continue on the flop, so i like it. f you let them, the BB will just threebet you every effing blind battle... great.

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and the "don't [censored] with me" part is bs. if he has a better hand the OP looks like an idiot. the only way he gets this message across is if the guy has K high. I guess maybe that's why you like to check, to show down the 3s. I don't buy it


bs? you are nuts! this guy is directly to my left in a 4handed game... i dont want him (or anyone else) abusing me on the turn for the whole session... dont eff w/ me is right!


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if you are 3bettin 33 unimproved then i am gonna def come after you on the turn.

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and the "don't [censored] with me" part is bs. if he has a better hand the OP looks like an idiot. the only way he gets this message across is if the guy has K high. I guess maybe that's why you like to check, to show down the 3s. I don't buy it


bs? you are nuts! this guy is directly to my left in a 4handed game... i dont want him (or anyone else) abusing me on the turn for the whole session... dont eff w/ me is right!


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if you are 3bettin 33 unimproved then i am gonna def come after you on the turn.

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