Re: RESULTS...
 

In a vacuum this pretty much sucks, but if you play this game a lot, a few grand is a small price to pay for the image you just established.

Re: RESULTS...
 

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Oh, and as others have said, getting those odds, AA is an easy insta-call here, as is KK. QQ is borderline, JJ/TT I would fold.

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el d. if you raise the flop w/ TT or JJ, and villain flat calls, are we not putting-another-penny-into-the-pot-unless-we-set, pushing the turn if checked, or checking turn and calling rest of stack on river?

I feel like if you're going to flop raise here with TT or JJ you better be calling an all in, or else you're wasting TT/JJ. (And flat calling is better then raising)

*I mean wasting by killing the relative value of your hand, because there arent enough draws (not to mention TT has 2 blockers to the "most obvious draw") and surely you dont expect villain to go broke with A9 or worse. And in terms of bluffing, only hand you may get out is similar overpair.

Re: RESULTS...
 

Cop-out answer, but the truth. I really don't have a default play here. Medium-ish overpair v. PFR is something that I play very differently each time based on the opponent and situation.

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Cop-out answer, but the truth. I really don't have a default play here. Medium-ish overpair v. PFR is something that I play very differently each time based on the opponent and situation.

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ok [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] time for class, thanks tho.

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In a vacuum this pretty much sucks, but if you play this game a lot, a few grand is a small price to pay for the image you just established.

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yeah, but i like these image plays a hell of a lot better in sh'd games. in full (online) games it pays off much less.

Re: AA vs. all in on the flop
 

If you are routinely opening in early position with hands like 87s and 33 I think villain's smoothcall suuucks.

Also, the way villain played it, I would expect to be up against a hand stronger than AA a significant percentage of the time.

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If you are routinely opening in early position with hands like 87s and 33 I think villain's smoothcall suuucks.

Also, the way villain played it, I would expect to be up against a hand stronger than AA a significant percentage of the time.

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i play pretty tight.but i dont routinely do anything...except raise..its the hands in that range that move around.

Barron

Re: AA vs. all in on the flop
 

Call. I think his most likely hand is an overpair, followed closely by a set. An OESD is possible if he is very aggressive, but it is unlikely that a tight player would open 87s or 54s with five players or more left to act.