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cold_cash 09-22-2005 03:15 PM

Re: AK
 
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a loose passive leads this flop and you want to raise? what for?

pot size has nothing to do with it, and a larger pot would make me less inclined to raise, not more. i'm assuming you hit raise because you decided this was random spazziness, although i'm not sure what gave you that impression in this particular hand.

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So then you're folding to the flop bet?

ErrantNight 09-22-2005 03:17 PM

Re: AK
 
(1) i don't think you're getting a free card very often

(2) SB is unlikely to fold any serious draw here, and is more likely padding the pot than increasing the number of hands that beat you

(3) you're almost certainly behind, you might get 3-bet, and you don't exactly have great pot equity here to raise.

now, if you're defense was: "i'm raising because i've seen villain fold to aggression before" and you thought you were acquiring some fold equity here, i.e.: you thought you could get a better hand to fold unimproved, say, if a Q falls... then MAYBE, but you don't have a strong read on the villain. your raise sucks.

ErrantNight 09-22-2005 03:18 PM

Re: AK
 
what? this is an easy call.

cold_cash 09-22-2005 03:23 PM

Re: AK
 
I disagree, but okay.

ErrantNight 09-22-2005 03:28 PM

Re: AK
 
it's most likely villain has a pair and a draw, or a draw. either way, villain has outs against you. raising does nothing for you. repeat: nothing. you're trying to drive out the SB. WHAT does the SB potentially have, that they fold to your raise, that increases your chance of winning this pot.

you have a backdoor draw to the 2nd nut and the Two Big Overcards. I can't see how folding is correct here.

additionally, i don't think raising a blank turn would be a terrible idea.

Shillx 09-22-2005 05:15 PM

Re: AK
 
Your argument doesn't make any sense dude.

Board: 9d 6h 3d
Dead:

equity (%) win (%) tie (%)
Hand 1: 39.4542 % 39.48% 00.00% { AsKd }
Hand 2: 41.9481 % 41.97% 00.00% { 8c7c }
Hand 3: 18.5977 % 18.61% 00.00% { QJo }

Board: 9d 6h 3d
Dead:

equity (%) win (%) tie (%)
Hand 1: 53.4184 % 53.42% 00.00% { AsKd }
Hand 2: 46.5816 % 46.58% 00.00% { 8c7c }


By getting the dude to fold a 6 outer, we go from 39% to 53% equity. This is significant if we feel like the flop bettor is on a draw. Now if he would only bet a pair on the flop then yes raising is pointless since you just charge yourself more. But we want that 3rd player to fold (who is always drawing live agianst us) if we do have the flop bettor beat.


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