Re: Who are the scariest shorthanded 20/40 players at Party? (Likely L
 

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Sadly, I see alot of decent TAGs at 10/20 who are probably 2+2ers and berate the fish from time to time [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]

I think Stoxfraud is very good in limited sample.

-DeathDonkey

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i am guitly of the occasional "nh" after 64o calls 2.5 and rivers a straight to beat my set of kings. funny part is they usually think i am serious and say "ty".

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I too am guilty and also seem to see 'ty' way more than one would expect. What I need to stop doing though is writing 'puke' after hands like the above example happen.

Re: Who are the scariest shorthanded 20/40 players at Party? (Likely L
 

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Sadly, I see alot of decent TAGs at 10/20 who are probably 2+2ers and berate the fish from time to time [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]

I think Stoxfraud is very good in limited sample.

-DeathDonkey

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i am guitly of the occasional "nh" after 64o calls 2.5 and rivers a straight to beat my set of kings. funny part is they usually think i am serious and say "ty".

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I too am guilty and also seem to see 'ty' way more than one would expect. What I need to stop doing though is writing 'puke' after hands like the above example happen.

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ok, ok.

i write 'nice' after some really bad beat or 'lol'.

both need to stop [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]

Re: Who are the scariest shorthanded 20/40 players at Party? (Likely L
 

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Sadly, I see alot of decent TAGs at 10/20 who are probably 2+2ers and berate the fish from time to time [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]

I think Stoxfraud is very good in limited sample.

-DeathDonkey

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i am guitly of the occasional "nh" after 64o calls 2.5 and rivers a straight to beat my set of kings. funny part is they usually think i am serious and say "ty".

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I too am guilty and also seem to see 'ty' way more than one would expect. What I need to stop doing though is writing 'puke' after hands like the above example happen.

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ok, ok.

i write 'nice' after some really bad beat or 'lol'.

both need to stop [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]

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The only thing I say is "nh." I sometimes say it after bad beats, hands I was behind the whole time like KK vs QQ, or when I lose to a monster. They never know when I'm bluffing [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

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Re: Sample 20/40 hand.
 

I don't think this is a hand where it is important pinpoint any probabilities. There are too many variables. In order to isolate one variable, it means you know exactly what all the other variables should be. In this hand, you would have to figure out many probabilitiies, including:

1. prob he doesn't check-raise with an Ace on the Flop
2. prob he consistently calls with absolutely nothing on the Flop only to call on the Turn.
3. prob he never gives up on any pair and always calls to see a showdown
4. prob he doesn't give up on a inside draw until the River...and even then, does he continue to call if he picked up a small pair?

just too many moving parts IMO to isolate anything useful. Isolating probabilities is a useful tool, but not always applicable.

Here's the way I look at this sample hand:

You played it exactly as I would. I like the bet on the Turn - give him a chance to fold a 2 or 3 (low pair) or 4 or 5 (straight draw). But if you are check-raised, then you can safely dump and give up your 4 outs. Against trickier players, I would check on the Turn, because trickier players are more apt to check-raise semi-bluff on the Turn and/or bluff on the River - but given no read as you said, I'd bet it. With that said, I think it is a small difference between betting and checking (and calling on River).

P.S. What do you need me for anyway? You kicked my ass in HULA!

Re: Who are the scariest shorthanded 20/40 players at Party? (Likely LC)
 

I have about 25k hands of 20/40 short anywhere from 2-6 handed and managed to grind out about 1.8BB/100h, which I was really quite proud of even over the short run because it really is a tough game. You're right that 10/20 seems like playing with puppies and rainbows after some 20/40. The 20 game is simply tougher and trickier, where you have to really think about your opponents actions, hand ranges, read his hand, go up a level, etc. I 3 tabled occasionally but almost always 2 tabled, soemtimes even one tabled. Game selection was so important.

This is from about a month ago so it may be a bit outdated, but Togni4/5 (he's 2p2 i think) always gave me fits. Also BIGNATURALS8 was overaggressive and annoying. There were plenty of 50/30/2, and you're right, you learn to love those guys. The guy who sits down with 10k every time he plays is fun to play against, very passive and very loose. The tables are usually one hyperaggressive guy surrounded by 2 TAGs and 1 random shmoe.

Good luck at the 20, I can't wait to move back there. It certainly made me play better, and really sharpened up my heads up, 3 and 4 handed game.

Re: Who are the scariest shorthanded 20/40 players at Party? (Likely LC)
 

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You're right that 10/20 seems like playing with puppies and rainbows after some 20/40.

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Great line! Yeah, I feel like I'm constantly having to adjust my game during play . . . you really need to be aware of your table image and how people are perceiving you.